Newsfront Interview, New York, May 14th 1968 WNDT Broadcast - The Beatles Curiosities Volume 1 歌词
| 歌曲 | Newsfront Interview, New York, May 14th 1968 WNDT Broadcast - The Beatles Curiosities Volume 1 |
| 歌手 | John Lennon |
| 歌手 | Paul McCartney |
| 专辑 | Newsfront Interview, New York, May 14th 1968 WNDT Broadcast - The Beatles Curiosities Volume 1 |
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| [00:00.000] | Q: John Lennon and Paul McCartney , |
| [00:01.998] | What do you think is the one single thing |
| [00:04.073] | that most contributed to your phenomenal, |
| [00:06.185] | unprecedented success in the past 8 or 9 years? Any single thing?" |
| [00:11.994] | JOHN: "Umm, God?" |
| [00:13.667] | PAUL: "I'll go along with that." |
| [00:17.316] | Q: "So much has been said that you started a trend, |
| [00:21.403] | and that the trend that exists today - |
| [00:23.392] | this whole psychedelic mixed-media world..." PAUL & JOHN: (laugh) |
| [00:26.880] | Q: "...kind of goes back to the early days |
| [00:28.828] | when you embarked on that, some have said, rock-strewn path." |
| [00:32.204] | JOHN: "We're just part of it, whatever it is." |
| [00:35.242] | PAUL: "We didn't set that one. We're just rolling along with it." |
| [00:38.791] | JOHN: "But we're part of it, you know." |
| [00:40.941] | Q: "But you were so much ahead, though, as so many have said." |
| [00:43.678] | JOHN: "To a degree. There's always somebody a bit ahead." |
| [00:46.028] | Q: "What led you down that road in the first place? |
| [00:49.667] | What brought you into that medium?" |
| [00:51.916] | PAUL: "Progress. Just natural progress as things change. |
| [00:57.967] | You know, they just keep changing. You can't help it. |
| [00:59.816] | And we just (laughs) kept along with them as they kept changing... |
| [01:04.028] | And here we are!" |
| [01:05.841] | Q: "The millions of young people that now are grown up, |
| [01:10.354] | I suppose, had started out with you a few years ago. |
| [01:12.628] | They've been affected, it's said, by what you've done, |
| [01:16.578] | deeply and permanently. |
| [01:18.229] | Do you think this is true?" |
| [01:19.378] | JOHN: "Yeah, in some cases that will be true." |
| [01:22.416] | PAUL: "Yeah, and it goes for us, too. |
| [01:24.166] | We've been affected by them." |
| [01:25.554] | JOHN: "I tell ya, I'm permanently affected by Elvis Presley... |
| [01:27.753] | Permanently affected by whoever it is you're affected by." |
| [01:30.629] | PAUL: (jokingly) "...scars to prove it." |
| [01:32.241] | Q: "Going back again to the early 1960's |
| [01:36.141] | when you first achieved your outstanding success. |
| [01:39.641] | Things were very different in the world then - |
| [01:41.666] | the world of popular music and the world of youth, |
| [01:43.904] | weren't they, than they are today." |
| [01:45.365] | JOHN: "It's gonna be... It's just change, you know. |
| [01:48.304] | Everything changes. |
| [01:49.590] | EVERYTHING was different then, |
| [01:50.766] | so there's no sort of specifics about it. |
| [01:53.917] | The whole thing's continually changing. |
| [01:55.903] | So we can't really comment on why one particular man |
| [02:01.467] | had better white trousers on in 1933. |
| [02:05.115] | There's nothing to say about it, but it happened." |
| [02:07.916] | PAUL: (jokingly to John) "Wrap up adlib! Close to script!" |
| [02:10.416] | Q: "Yeah, we should go back to 'copy' now." (laughter) |
| [02:13.004] | Q: "But changes that did occur in those years... |
| [02:15.290] | How would you describe the kind of change? |
| [02:17.403] | Was it the waking of a sleeping giant? |
| [02:20.290] | We talk about young people, |
| [02:21.640] | and we talk about the fact that so much has awakened |
| [02:25.765] | on the scene of life for young people." |
| [02:28.916] | PAUL: "You know I mean, none of us know what it is. |
| [02:32.428] | I don't think anyone knows what it is. |
| [02:34.216] | And it's just... it's life, you know. |
| [02:36.353] | You appear to grow up, |
| [02:38.741] | and we started off in leather jackets chinging away on guitars. |
| [02:44.978] | And it went through a lot of phases until it got here. |
| [02:49.128] | You know, and that's all we can say about it. |
| [02:51.404] | I don't know what happened. (laughs) |
| [02:52.423] | You can't say exactly what went on." JOHN: "How can you say?" |
| [02:58.013] | Q: "Do you think that seven, eight, nine, ten years ago, |
| [03:02.138] | that young people were less awake?" |
| [03:05.302] | JOHN: "I think they're becoming more aware each generation. |
| [03:08.125] | I don't know whether it'll end at some point |
| [03:10.414] | and go back to the start. |
| [03:11.475] | But it seems to be going that way - more aware." |
| [03:14.338] | Q: "More new experiences all the time?" |
| [03:17.538] | JOHN: "Well of course." |
| [03:18.638] | PAUL: "More aware, but no one's quite sure |
| [03:20.713] | what it is that they're aware of. |
| [03:22.813] | But they're aware of it (laughing) whatever it is. |
| [03:26.563] | (pause) You know, it's one of those things |
| [03:29.087] | you can't talk about because it gets into things |
| [03:33.125] | you can't put your finger on. |
| [03:34.575] | (to himself) Wrap up adlib. Close to script." |
| [03:39.614] | Q: "A lot of older people seem to feel that the young people today, |
| [03:42.313] | as I suppose older people always felt, |
| [03:43.922] | are always rebelling against the older generation. |
| [03:46.521] | But that this rebellion has gone so much further than other rebellions." |
| [03:50.296] | JOHN: "Yes." PAUL: "Yeah." |
| [03:52.771] | JOHN: "What will the next one be like, you know." |
| [03:54.059] | Q: "They'll rebell against you." |
| [03:55.559] | JOHN: "Depending on what we turn into." |
| [03:57.821] | Q: "What are you going to turn into?" |
| [03:59.734] | JOHN: "Well, if we stay like we are now it mightn't be bad. |
| [04:03.946] | But we should progress and be able to still communicate with kids |
| [04:07.609] | if this change is as important as it might be. |
| [04:11.559] | But if it isn't, it's just the same again. (comically, to the announcer) What's yours?" |
| [04:16.171] | Q: "That's a good question. (pause) |
| [04:18.008] | But as you leave the 20's... How soon will that be for both of you?" |
| [04:22.146] | JOHN: "I'm 27." |
| [04:22.896] | PAUL: "25." |
| [04:24.570] | Q: "You still have a ways to go, |
| [04:25.783] | but you talk about yourselves as gray old men in a sense, |
| [04:28.472] | compared to those years ago." |
| [04:29.771] | JOHN: (giggles) "It's only the way you're hearing it."(laughter) |
| [04:31.495] | Q: "You've made so much money |
| [04:34.045] | and you've achieved so much success so early. |
| [04:36.470] | Does this worry you?" |
| [04:37.633] | JOHN: "It's not a worry, it's just... |
| [04:39.896] | It saved us wasting our lives achieving it." |
| [04:42.420] | PAUL: "Yeah. Our thing just happens to be |
| [04:45.758] | very condensed and speeded. It's speeded up..." |
| [04:50.196] | JOHN: "We chose a modern form of success." |
| [04:51.895] | PAUL: "...very quick, because one second we were just there |
| [04:54.782] | doing 'that' with 'that much' money. |
| [04:56.846] | The next second... people normally take a lifetime to do... |
| [05:00.458] | it was just all there suddenly, just handed. |
| [05:03.082] | And we didn't have to do anything for it." |
| [05:04.896] | JOHN: "Except for work, you know." |
| [05:06.822] | PAUL: "We had to work and do songs and make records, |
| [05:09.958] | and that, but it didn't feel like anything to us. |
| [05:11.945] | And so, that's incredible, that. |
| [05:15.708] | 'Cuz it makes you think. (laughs) |
| [05:16.832] | It also makes you rich." |
| [05:21.858] | JOHN: "It's a way of doing it. |
| [05:22.995] | There's lots of careers to choose. |
| [05:24.482] | And you choose one... |
| [05:26.258] | Everybody wants to get something, |
| [05:28.295] | or make something one way or another. |
| [05:30.045] | And we chose a modern way of making it...and the so-called(?) relative making it,money and cars |
| [05:38.096] | because obviously we didn't want to spend out lives to get to nowhere." |
| [05:43.355] | PAUL: "It's like, if you could take a pill to just get famous and rich, |
| [05:46.029] | a lot of people would. And ours was a bit like that." |
| [05:49.254] | Q: "Was this what you really wanted to do it for |
| [05:51.254] | ... you wanted to get rich?" PAUL & JOHN: "Yeah." |
| [05:52.548] | JOHN: "You just want to 'make it' whatever you do. |
| [05:56.183] | You all set out leaving school or whatever, and you want to make it. |
| [05:59.945] | So you choose your field, and you make it or you don't. |
| [06:04.434] | But MAKE IT, that isn't it because there's nothing to MAKE. |
| [06:10.145] | So we were in the position to find out it's not worth spending your life looking... trying to get cars and kid gloves." |
| [06:20.784] | Q: "Has the fun gone out of your musical career |
| [06:26.824] | now that you've made so much money?" PAUL & JOHN: "No." JOHN: "Nothing like that." |
| [06:29.095] | PAUL: "You see, you're asking questions which are quite serious... |
| [06:34.309] | and you're not asking us, uhh you know, |
| [06:38.146] | where we get our hair cut. |
| [06:39.382] | You can't expect all these sort of happy answers |
| [06:42.655] | when you're asking serious questions." JOHN: "You want the answers. |
| [06:44.726] | Well, we're giving you the answer, you know." PAUL: "As we see it." |
| [06:47.387] | PAUL: (jokingly) "It isn't very clearly..." |
| [06:49.344] | Q: "Of course it's unclear...Now that you have this tremendous influence, |
| [06:54.942] | which you obviously have all over the world, |
| [06:57.779] | do you have a particular feeling about what you want to do with this power?" |
| [07:02.005] | JOHN: "Just, whatever it is, to try and channel it for GOOD... |
| [07:05.354] | if we can, you know. |
| [07:07.579] | That's the only point of doing anything. |
| [07:09.691] | So we've got this machine, |
| [07:13.218] | and we'll try and make use of it, for good, |
| [07:15.667] | and not just to have a machine." |
| [07:17.554] | PAUL: "You know, you've got your life and you're faced with choices in it. |
| [07:23.730] | And for us being suddenly rich and famous, |
| [07:30.593] | and in a position to do something, |
| [07:32.841] | we've got a choice of doing either what most people do, |
| [07:37.592] | which is just making more and more money, |
| [07:39.854] | and getting more and more rich and famous... |
| [07:42.066] | or trying to DO something which will help. |
| [07:45.016] | And it sounds a bit like charity, but it's obviously the one we've chosen 'cuz it's just better. |
| [07:54.433] | And it just might be in the long run..." |
| [07:57.973] | JOHN: "Might be good." |
| [07:58.858] | PAUL: "Might be good." |
| [07:59.846] | Q: "Let's stick with the young people and the areas that you think are most fruitful to try to help in. |
| [08:05.910] | I asked before, where you thought young people were going, |
| [08:10.360] | and you said well maybe there'll be a reaction to what they have now. |
| [08:13.322] | How does this relate to the real world as you see it... |
| [08:17.909] | to issues of war and peace, family and country? |
| [08:21.821] | JOHN: "All issues are relative. So it relates like that. |
| [08:26.183] | It's all just relative to each other. |
| [08:28.008] | War (pause) and vegetables. |
| [08:30.458] | 'Cuz there's relativity and absolute. |
| [08:36.112] | And that's how it relates, you know." |
| [08:39.185] | PAUL: (chuckles) "Great, Johnny." |
| [08:39.772] | Q: "It's kind of hard though for some people to interpret you." |
| [08:42.711] | JOHN: "Well, if they can't interpret it, maybe they will later... |
| [08:46.035] | or come to their own conclusions. |
| [08:49.046] | But that's the way I think it is." |
| [08:51.583] | PAUL: (to John) "But what do you think about the young people?" |
| [08:55.359] | JOHN: "Well... I think they're young, you know, |
| [08:58.658] | and trying to find out. That's all." |
| [09:00.696] | PAUL: "They seem to be trying to stop wars, and that. " |
| [09:04.521] | JOHN: "...which is beautiful." |
| [09:06.852] | PAUL: "It just looks as though everyone is trying to stop all that killing, and all that fighting." |
| [09:12.165] | JOHN: "It's a good idea." |
| [09:13.926] | PAUL: "It sounds good. It may be just silly to try, but it may be good!" |
| [09:21.738] | Q: "It may not work." PAUL AND JOHN: (quiet chuckle) |
| [09:23.662] | Q: "The word 'anarchy' has been used to describe some of the..." |
| [09:27.176] | JONH: "Well I mean, there always will be that element because, |
| [09:31.589] | when they see it as how they see it to become an anarchist, |
| [09:36.800] | it's 'What can we do about all that?' |
| [09:39.613] | I mean, what can you do really but wear a badge or stand up and shout. |
| [09:45.262] | So the choice is about shouting or 'let it roll.' |
| [09:49.339] | But they're a group of people who will go on forever, |
| [09:54.053] | but they don't actually do anything." |
| [09:57.189] | PAUL: "Everyone needs someone to say 'This is how you do it. |
| [10:01.763] | This is what we want you to do,' you know. |
| [10:06.614] | The thing is, it would be great if we knew how you do it. |
| [10:11.177] | We make guesses, but they're not always right. |
| [10:14.539] | They're often wrong, in fact. |
| [10:17.166] | It'd be great if we knew what it is you do |
| [10:19.946] | Cuz we are in a good position, |
| [10:20.969] | just to say to all the people who want to know how you do it. |
| [10:23.894] | Cuz there are so many phony institusions saying |
| [10:27.707] | 'And this is how you do it!' |
| [10:29.106] | Nobody can believe them anymore. |
| [10:32.268] | So it would be nice for people, |
| [10:34.406] | for someone to just come along and say..." |
| [10:36.406] | JOHN: "Well, it would have to be Jesus, or Buddha or something." |
| [10:39.056] | PAUL: "Yeah." |
| [10:39.543] | JOHN: "But they don't seem to be around at the moment." |
| [10:41.970] | Q: "The whole idea of whether you get involved or whether you stay out of it - Whether you're turned on or turned off. |
| [10:48.980] | How do you feel about that?" |
| [10:50.543] | JOHN: "We believe you should turn on and stay in. |
| [10:53.630] | Change it, you know." |
| [10:54.868] | PAUL: (jokingly) "Drop in... sometime." |
| [10:57.394] | Q: "When you get involved, do you mean getting involved in the establishment and institutions?" |
| [11:04.433] | JOHN: "Well, to change it... |
| [11:04.905] | because unless you change it, it's going to be there forever. |
| [11:07.294] | So the only thing to do is to try and change it... |
| [11:10.520] | but not replace it with another set of Harris Tweed suits. |
| [11:12.855] | And just change it completely. |
| [11:15.456] | But how you do that, we don't know." |
| [11:17.493] | PAUL: "There's a lot of ways, |
| [11:18.168] | but the one we've decided on at the moment |
| [11:21.093] | is just to try and get into a business, |
| [11:26.143] | so that we can go to 'them,' you know, |
| [11:31.270] | all those big bosses in all those big companies, |
| [11:34.168] | and talk to them as though we're..." (laughs) |
| [11:38.120] | PAUL & JOHN: "...one of them!" |
| [11:41.320] | JOHN: "Of course we're not, so we'll see what happens." |
| [11:44.858] | PAUL: "We're not really, |
| [11:45.205] | but we've got people who are doing it for us. |
| [11:48.381] | And it's a bit different from the hippie scene because people think |
| [11:52.569] | "Oh, they haven't washed and they've got long hair. |
| [11:55.919] | Oh that's naughty,' you know. |
| [11:57.143] | And people don't communicate with them |
| [12:02.045] | because they don't like the look of them, or something." |
| [12:03.731] | JOHN: "We're gonna package peace in a new box." |
| [12:07.344] | PAUL: "We're trying to get to, like, |
| [12:09.794] | the people who are sort of in control, and say you know, |
| [12:12.982] | 'Come on. Straighten it out. Don't mess it up.'" (JOHN:??) |
| [12:16.104] | Ask if they can(??). It doesn't look as if they can. |
| [12:22.464] | Q: "You went to India and spent time with Maharishi |
| [12:26.588] | who has had great impact, you feel, on your whole outlook. |
| [12:29.113] | Could you decribe how he's changed things for you?" |
| [12:32.938] | JOHN: "We sort of feel that Maharishi for us was a mistake, really. |
| [12:39.888] | Meditation we don't think was a mistake. |
| [12:43.038] | But I think we had a false impression of Maharishi, |
| [12:48.737] | like people do of us, you know. |
| [12:50.100] | But what we do happens in public, so it's a different scene slightly." |
| [12:56.739] | Q: "What was your original impression?" |
| [12:58.300] | JOHN: "We thought he was something other than he was." |
| [13:00.763] | PAUL: "We thought he was magic, you know, |
| [13:04.062] | because he's got that kind of thing. |
| [13:07.188] | And he sort of, I dont know, the twinkle in the eye. |
| [13:09.924] | And you just think he..." |
| [13:10.888] | JOHN: "We were looking for it, |
| [13:13.074] | and probably superimposed it on him." |
| [13:15.362] | PAUL: "Yeah, it was just the right time anyway. |
| [13:19.112] | There were we, waiting for someone... |
| [13:20.783] | JOHN: "Waiting for a guru. He came.". PAUL:"...the great magic man to come. |
| [13:23.264] | And he came, you know. There he was and he was talking about it all. |
| [13:25.800] | And he had great answers, |
| [13:27.500] | 'cuz he said 'You can sort yourself out,' |
| [13:29.864] | that you can calm yourself down just |
| [13:34.126] | by doing this very simple thing. |
| [13:35.712] | And it works, that bit of it. It really does do it, you know." |
| [13:40.300] | JOHN: "But the other bit - He's giving out recipes for something, |
| [13:44.724] | then he's still creating the same kind of situations |
| [13:48.889] | which he's giving out recipes to cure." |
| [13:50.525] | PAUL: "But it seems like the system is more important... |
| [13:53.915] | Q: "Sort of a touch of establishment in the Maharishi?" |
| [13:56.990] | JOHN: "Something, you know. We can't...." |
| [13:59.215] | PAUL: "He's okay, but the system is more important, y'know... |
| [14:02.874] | (JOHN: Something taking over something)...the idea of it. |
| [14:04.808] | (JOHN: Some seems to ???) It always goes by the Budhha(?) bit. |
| [14:09.243] | If people watch Maharishi, or watch us, |
| [14:12.936] | they don't think about the system - |
| [14:16.398] | don't think about what it's about, you know. " |
| [14:17.847] | Q: "He got you to stop taking drugs." |
| [14:22.459] | JOHN: "No he didn't. |
| [14:23.441] | We'd stopped taking drugs a couple of months before,when we met him. |
| [14:28.141] | And that was just sort of... |
| [14:30.604] | The newspapers said, 'Oh! Put it together, we got a title.' |
| [14:34.706] | But it's just not true." |
| [14:36.479] | Q: "You feel that drugs are not necessary anymore for what you do?" |
| [14:41.480] | JOHN: "Uhh, I don't know. |
| [14:42.666] | I'm not making any statements about what I'm going to do for the next 60 years or whatever it is, because I've no idea anymore. |
| [14:51.794] | You can never really know, but just have a vague goal." |
| [14:56.369] | PAUL: "Not at the moment, anyway." |
| [14:59.104] | JOHN: "It's no use saying 'I will never take drugs' |
| [15:01.729] | or 'I WILL take drugs,' because you don't know." |
| [15:04.616] | Q: "After the experiences that you've had, |
| [15:07.679] | do you think that young people who are your fans, |
| [15:12.080] | who idolize you, ought to try the same thing?" |
| [15:14.969] | JOHN: "No. We don't give instructions on how to live your life. |
| [15:18.255] | The only thing we can do, because we're in the public eye, |
| [15:20.404] | is to reflect what we do. |
| [15:25.281] | And they can judge for themselves what happens to us - |
| [15:27.392] | with Maharishi, with drugs, with whatever we go on. |
| [15:31.406] | If they're using us as a guideline. |
| [15:32.929] | And we can only try and do what's right for us, |
| [15:36.216] | and therefore, we hope right for them." |
| [15:39.367] | PAUL: "Some fella said to me, |
| [15:41.470] | 'Have you had LSD, Paul?' |
| [15:43.996] | And I said 'Yes.' And it was only 'cuz |
| [15:49.432] | I was going to just be honest with him. |
| [15:50.969] | There's no other reason. |
| [15:52.533] | I didn't want to spread it or anything, you know. |
| [15:54.319] | I'm not trying to do anything except answer his question. |
| [15:57.746] | But he happened to be a reporter, |
| [15:59.231] | and I happened to be a Beatle. |
| [16:00.844] | So it went into that, you know." |
| [16:03.144] | JOHN: "And it was his responsibility, |
| [16:04.269] | or his paper's responsibility and his TV station." |
| [16:08.044] | PAUL: "That's the thing - He immediately said 'Oh, it's this man's responsibility. He's just saying all the kids should take LSD.' |
| [16:15.921] | And I didn't, you know. I just said, |
| [16:19.257] | 'Yes I've taken it. Okay I own up,' you know." |
| [16:21.620] | Q: "Do you think the press distorts a great deal of what you say?"PAUL & JOHN: Yes!" |
| [16:25.783] | JOHN: "I don't think there's anywhere, |
| [16:27.019] | any truth coming over about what's happening at all."(laughter) |
| [16:29.909] | Q: "Generally, all the way across the board?" |
| [16:33.858] | JOHN: "There is no truth coming out, at all.(PAUL: It's not ???) |
| [16:38.270] | The only true thing about newspapers is the name of the newpaper.(PAUL: I mean newspapers...) |
| [16:44.820] | And I'm not saying that they are intentionally evil or anything, |
| [16:49.660] | it's just they can't control it. |
| [16:51.796] | And the system won't allow truth to come out." PAUL: "Yeah." |
| [16:55.132] | JOHN: "So there's something wrong with the system." |
| [16:57.220] | PAUL: "You know I mean, this - |
| [16:59.923] | It's a pretty sort of ordinary interview. |
| [17:02.984] | It's pretty dull, you know. |
| [17:03.945] | Except for one or two little things, which will have been headlines..." |
| [17:08.170] | Q: "Of course, when someone watches television, they see it." (PAUL: ...and that's what the newspapers use to take them...???) |
| [17:11.908] | JOHN: "Television is a bit better, |
| [17:14.369] | but it's still under the influence of the system |
| [17:18.596] | that doesn't really allow truth to come out." |
| [17:20.520] | Q: "Well, now you're saying what you think and people are seeing what you say." |
| [17:24.233] | JOHN: "Just for this moment, maybe. |
| [17:26.358] | If we are saying the truth as we know it. |
| [17:29.382] | but in general, I mean... |
| [17:31.158] | Are you saying that the truth is coming out all the time? |
| [17:33.784] | I don't know. You think so? You try, yeah, (PAUL: No, it's probably not, I mean....) |
| [17:38.746] | you try but you've still got a system which restricts and inhibits people speaking their mind. |
| [17:45.320] | I mean, we can speak our mind now about these subjects. |
| [17:47.557] | But there will be limits imposed. And Rules." PAUL: "Mmmm." |
| [17:52.044] | JOHN: "...which are to safeguard something or other. |
| [17:54.094] | But safeguarding it prevents... it has a side effect. |
| [17:59.422] | And the choice is, where to draw the line." |
| [18:03.746] | PAUL: "It's like, if you were to ask either of us a question that the answer would be obscene..." |
| [18:12.408] | JOHN: "There's a censor." |
| [18:13.444] | PAUL: "There's a limit, you know, to where you could go." |
| [18:15.620] | JOHN: "We couldn't describe making love to somebody, |
| [18:18.932] | because the system doesn't allow that.(PAUL: But anyway that's still not to do without truth. They...) |
| [18:21.694] | You couldn't just describe it. That's where the system's at." |
| [18:29.069] | Q: "One of the big controversies in your country had been recently |
| [18:34.508] | the whole question of racial integration and of cutting off immigration, |
| [18:38.658] | and of asking some of your non-whites to go back home again. |
| [18:42.871] | You've been asked about this, undoubtedly." JOHN: "No." |
| [18:46.493] | Q: 'Do you think this is the kind of government policy that you want in your country?" |
| [18:52.696] | JOHN: "We sow what we reap, or whatever it is. (PAUL: Mmm) |
| [18:55.709] | And Britain is paying for what it did to all those countries. |
| [18:59.996] | And to say, 'Keep out,' is just barking in the garden, you know. |
| [19:05.794] | Because whatever is going to happen will happen like that." |
| [19:09.319] | PAUL: "It was just some fella who said in a speech one day..." |
| [19:13.307] | JOHN: "He said what a lot of them thought." (PAUL: He??? a few votes and y'know ??) |
| [19:16.495] | Q: "And a lot of people in Liverpool, and other places you know well, favor what he said, apparantly." |
| [19:21.895] | JOHN: "Sure." PAUL: "Yeah." |
| [19:22.744] | JOHN: "Because those people are all over the place. |
| [19:24.125] | That's why the governments are in power."( PAUL: "You know those people, they don't know a thing. They just hate.") |
| [19:27.321] | JOHN: "Because they're not told anything, as well." |
| [19:30.545] | PAUL: "It's people like this - They say "I'm white and he's black.' |
| [19:35.921] | Hate, hate, hate. They just hate him." |
| [19:38.571] | JOHN: "And he's not brought up any other way." |
| [19:39.969] | PAUL: "You know, they don't know anything else than that, |
| [19:42.244] | so they've got to agree with this fella who says |
| [19:44.731] | "We've got a dangerous situation here.'" |
| [19:46.256] | JOHN: "And they vote him in, and he just makes them feel alright. |
| [19:49.295] | And he tells them that 'You're right! You know what's happening. |
| [19:52.245] | You put me in power' |
| [19:53.131] | But what they don't know is that he knows a bit more what's going on. |
| [19:58.097] | That's why he's in power. |
| [19:59.082] | But he's not going to tell them what's happening because he wants to stay in power. |
| [20:03.462] | Because if they knew, they wouldn't have put him in power, somebody else would be." |
| [20:06.782] | PAUL: "But it's not as bad in England as it is here." |
| [20:09.719] | JOHN: "It probably is, but it's just a different..." |
| [20:12.169] | PAUL: "I don't think it is." |
| [20:13.193] | Q: "You're talking about racism?" |
| [20:14.418] | JOHN: "Well, it will be then." |
| [20:16.644] | PAUL: "I don't think it's as bad, just from what I've seen. |
| [20:21.633] | It might be. 'Cuz it's hidden more in England, definitely, you know." |
| [20:24.495] | JOHN: "That might be worse." |
| [20:26.556] | PAUL: "That might be worse, yeah. |
| [20:27.093] | But there's just not the numbers going on." |
| [20:33.221] | JOHN: "Well, it's just that. England is THAT big, |
| [20:35.258] | and America is THAT big." |
| [20:37.052] | PAUL: (giggles, jokingly) "It's much worse in England, you know!" (laughter) |
| [20:40.077] | Q: ???...Tell us about it. JOHN: (giggling)...terrible things... Oh no, he was joking then. Q: (laughing) "Really?!" JOHN: "He came 'round the circle." |
| [20:50.718] | Q: "This business of color, and young people, and people who follow you... This doesn't have any significance in the mind of many of your young people?" |
| [21:01.943] | PAUL: "No, it's good. Most people don't... |
| [21:03.932] | It seems to be older people who really have got hang-ups." |
| [21:07.608] | JOHN: "Yes, and musicians and their vibrations don't usually have this about what street you live on. |
| [21:15.333] | I mean, they get that scene sorted out as soon as they meet other musicians. Because it's the music that counts. |
| [21:21.496] | There's no common denominator for society like music or whatever they're going for." |
| [21:26.884] | PAUL: "If someone can play guitar, it doesn't matter what colored hands he uses." |
| [21:30.882] | JOHN: "But it also doesn't matter for the carpenter and the bricklayer, and all that." |
| [21:35.382] | PAUL: "But I mean, everyone knows that anyway. There's only a few... I don't know who these people are who..." |
| [21:43.985] | JOHN: (giggling) "They're the ones who vote for those people." |
| [21:46.695] | PAUL: (giggles) "You know, there's just some funny people around who're messing it up." |
| [21:50.572] | JOHN: "Lots of them." |
| [21:51.294] | PAUL: "Let's find those people." |
| [21:53.094] | Q: "Of course, there's people who don't like the long hair..." |
| [21:54.882] | JOHN: "Well, we know those people are SICK! |
| [21:57.946] | And we might all be sick. |
| [22:00.995] | But their manifestations of sickness are pretty horrible, really. Frightening." |
| [22:08.259] | PAUL: "There was some thing in England where a kid went to the barbers and his Uncle said 'Go and get your hair cut.' |
| [22:15.544] | And so he went and he just had a little bit off, |
| [22:17.119] | 'cuz he had it quite long and he liked it. |
| [22:18.495] | And he came back with just a bit off |
| [22:20.807] | - So his Uncle, his guardian, |
| [22:22.407] | got annoyed and dragged him back and had it all off. |
| [22:25.295] | The kid just come with a little crewcut, |
| [22:27.532] | and he was really broken up about it. |
| [22:30.169] | And the next morning they found him on the railway lines. |
| [22:32.032] | The kid has just sort of laid down with his crewcut. |
| [22:35.259] | *chop* You know, there's no need for that." |
| [22:38.960] | JOHN: "To make haircuts that important is insanity." |
| [22:41.320] | Q: "Some people probably say to you, |
| [22:43.918] | 'Why don't you cut your hair short? |
| [22:46.233] | Are you just wearing it that way to be different?'" |
| [22:48.394] | PAUL: "No it's just, 'Why don't you wear yours long,' you know." |
| [22:51.870] | JOHN: "We know what we like in that respect. |
| [22:54.019] | We please ourselves. |
| [22:55.794] | And what's it got to do with (pause) some man with one eye." (laughter) PAULL: It is not... there's no...(giggling) |
| [23:03.700] | JOHN: (giggling) "You know that man with one eye that's always sitting 'round the back!" (laughter) |
| [23:07.667] | JOHN: "...and asking ya why your hair is long!" Q: Yeah... But he's always there... |
| [23:12.240] | PAUL: (laughs) "Yeah, but all those things about hair and color... You know, |
| [23:16.017] | all those things that hang people up. |
| [23:17.654] | There's no need, 'cuz there's no worry. |
| [23:20.253] | I mean, those are the least worrying things around." |
| [23:22.290] | JOHN: "But they're the causes, aren't they!( PAUL: Yeah, they seem to be...)One of the ?? causes. Dittle dittle rum bumble bumble(?)" |
| [23:28.719] | Q: "What about the Queen and royalty in Britain? Is that a hang up?" |
| [23:32.655] | JOHN: "It's not a hang up, but I mean |
| [23:34.466] | - Imagine being brought up like that for two-thousand years. |
| [23:37.768] | You must be pretty freaky. |
| [23:39.353] | And they must have a hard time trying to be human beings. |
| [23:42.716] | I don't know if any of them will ever make it, |
| [23:44.691] | 'cuz I don't know much about them. |
| [23:46.728] | But, you feel sorry for people like that. |
| [23:50.266] | 'Cuz it's like us, only worse! |
| [23:53.917] | And whether they know what's going on or not is another subject." |
| [23:57.617] | PAUL: "They've probably got their own thing, you know, inside the castle." |
| [24:00.528] | JOHN: Mmm... Chest(?). Paul: (Giggling) No they are just... |
| [24:03.287] | Q: Well, you've been inside the castle ??? the decorations... (PAUL: No ,I mean....) |
| [24:06.189] | JOHN: "That is a very strange life, isn't it. |
| [24:08.162] | I mean, that's another manifestation of craziness." |
| [24:11.415] | PAUL: "You don't really TALK to her 'cuz she's the Queen. |
| [24:13.763] | It's like you don't really TALK to President Johnson ever. |
| [24:16.112] | You just sort of shake hands and APPEAR to talk to him." |
| [24:19.149] | JOHN: "And if they BELIEVE that they're royal, that's the joke. |
| [24:21.812] | You know, if they believe it..." |
| [24:23.899] | PAUL: "It's crazy." |
| [24:25.613] | JOHN: "...well they can carry on, you know. |
| [24:26.912] | Because it's just very strange to think that you are royal." |
| [24:30.199] | PAUL: "They're probably just great and human and have just got their own scene going, you know." |
| [24:36.326] | JOHN: "One or two of them, maybe... (giggles) over five-million." |
| [24:38.913] | PAUL: "And it's just a very difficult job." |
| [24:40.111] | Q: "Do you think it all should end?" |
| [24:41.661] | JOHN: "Well, I dont know about that. But it's very costly." PAUL: (laughs) |
| [24:46.398] | JOHN: "It's priorities really, isn't it." |
| [24:48.940] | Q: "It's been said that you have such a tremendous amount of influence. |
| [24:54.270] | You said yourself in that very controversial remark one time that you were more popular than Jesus, |
| [24:58.745] | and you had to correct the interpretation of that." JOHN: "Yeah." |
| [25:01.284] | PAUL: "'The Queen is freaky' isn't a bad one." |
| [25:03.032] | Q: "Yeah, that's not too bad, either. ??? never had bigger crowds(?) as you did |
| [25:04.631] | PAUL: (jokingly) "Another headline taken out of context yet again!" |
| [25:10.060] | Q: "The United States has been plagued by the war in Vietnam, |
| [25:13.603] | and the world has been concerned about it. |
| [25:16.678] | What are your views about the war?" |
| [25:17.928] | JOHN: "It's another piece of insanity. |
| [25:20.327] | It's all part of the same insane scene that's going on. |
| [25:25.363] | It's just insane. It shouldn't be going on. There's nothing else for it... no reason, just insanity." |
| [25:32.873] | PAUL: "You know, whoever's right and whoever's wrong, |
| [25:37.252] | it's still... the thing that's going on there isn't a good thing. It's only that much willed(?). |
| [25:44.637] | A few bits of it does rough things going on. |
| [25:48.824] | A few bits does worse things and a few bits is just insane. And that's one of those bits. |
| [25:55.625] | Q: "Since you're not diplomats, let me ask you to meddle in American politics as our concluding question. |
| [26:01.476] | We have a lot of candidates..."PAUL & JOHN: "We don't know much about it." |
| [26:03.917] | Q: "You know the names..." JOHN: "No." |
| [26:05.434] | Q: "You've heard the names..." |
| [26:06.581] | JOHN: "Not really."PAUL: (jokingly) Eisenhower?"Q: (laughs) JOHN: "We hear the sort of Kennedy, |
| [26:09.472] | and we met a man called Green who sells plastic flowers to try and get people to vote for him, |
| [26:16.285] | which is a good sign of what he is, anyway. |
| [26:18.683] | But we don't know much others." |
| [26:20.283] | PAUL: (peace symbols) "Doves." JOHN: "Doves and olives."(laughter) |
| [26:21.783] | JOHN: "Anything about that, my choice would be a dove. |
| [26:25.773] | But I mean, it might be an insane dove. |
| [26:27.370] | That's the risk you gotta take." |
| [26:29.808] | Q: "You're not ready to make a commitment?" |
| [26:35.447] | PAUL: "Yeah sure. Go on, ask some." |
| [26:36.796] | Q: "Would you pick a McCarthy, or a Kennedy?"JOHN: "A dove." |
| [26:39.458] | Q: "Humphrey, Nixon or Rockefeller?" JOHN: "A dove." |
| [26:43.809] | PAUL: "Yeah. You know, it's just too hard 'cuz we don't know what they are, those people. |
| [26:50.260] | We see all their pictures in the paper, |
| [26:52.546] | but we don't know really what they're doing. Do you?" |
| [26:55.547] | Q: "What about Harold Wilson?" (Merseyside member of Parliament and then-current Prime Minister) |
| [26:58.897] | JOHN: "Yes! What's HE doing?!"(laughter) |
| [27:00.771] | JOHN: "I mean, what are they all doing? That's the point." |
| [27:03.423] | Q: "Let me just ask this one final question. |
| [27:06.935] | What do you do when you talk about the establishment, |
| [27:09.922] | and you try to put something in it's place... when you're not satisfied with..." |
| [27:13.848] | JOHN: "We're all part of it as well. |
| [27:15.146] | I mean, the establishment is abstract and all that bit. |
| [27:18.649] | We're all part of it. |
| [27:20.659] | So it's just to change it anyway you can, if you think you can. |
| [27:26.998] | That's all you can do." |
| [27:28.197] | Q: "Gentlemen, Thank you very much." |
| [27:30.421] | JOHN: "Pleasure."PAUL: "Thank you." |
| [27:31.844] | Q: John Lennon and Paul McCartney. |
| [00:00.000] | zuo ci : N A |
| [00:00.000] | zuo qu : N A |
| [00:00.000] | Q: John Lennon and Paul McCartney , |
| [00:01.998] | What do you think is the one single thing |
| [00:04.073] | that most contributed to your phenomenal, |
| [00:06.185] | unprecedented success in the past 8 or 9 years? Any single thing?" |
| [00:11.994] | JOHN: " Umm, God?" |
| [00:13.667] | PAUL: " I' ll go along with that." |
| [00:17.316] | Q: " So much has been said that you started a trend, |
| [00:21.403] | and that the trend that exists today |
| [00:23.392] | this whole psychedelic mixedmedia world..." PAUL JOHN: laugh |
| [00:26.880] | Q: "... kind of goes back to the early days |
| [00:28.828] | when you embarked on that, some have said, rockstrewn path." |
| [00:32.204] | JOHN: " We' re just part of it, whatever it is." |
| [00:35.242] | PAUL: " We didn' t set that one. We' re just rolling along with it." |
| [00:38.791] | JOHN: " But we' re part of it, you know." |
| [00:40.941] | Q: " But you were so much ahead, though, as so many have said." |
| [00:43.678] | JOHN: " To a degree. There' s always somebody a bit ahead." |
| [00:46.028] | Q: " What led you down that road in the first place? |
| [00:49.667] | What brought you into that medium?" |
| [00:51.916] | PAUL: " Progress. Just natural progress as things change. |
| [00:57.967] | You know, they just keep changing. You can' t help it. |
| [00:59.816] | And we just laughs kept along with them as they kept changing... |
| [01:04.028] | And here we are!" |
| [01:05.841] | Q: " The millions of young people that now are grown up, |
| [01:10.354] | I suppose, had started out with you a few years ago. |
| [01:12.628] | They' ve been affected, it' s said, by what you' ve done, |
| [01:16.578] | deeply and permanently. |
| [01:18.229] | Do you think this is true?" |
| [01:19.378] | JOHN: " Yeah, in some cases that will be true." |
| [01:22.416] | PAUL: " Yeah, and it goes for us, too. |
| [01:24.166] | We' ve been affected by them." |
| [01:25.554] | JOHN: " I tell ya, I' m permanently affected by Elvis Presley... |
| [01:27.753] | Permanently affected by whoever it is you' re affected by." |
| [01:30.629] | PAUL: jokingly "... scars to prove it." |
| [01:32.241] | Q: " Going back again to the early 1960' s |
| [01:36.141] | when you first achieved your outstanding success. |
| [01:39.641] | Things were very different in the world then |
| [01:41.666] | the world of popular music and the world of youth, |
| [01:43.904] | weren' t they, than they are today." |
| [01:45.365] | JOHN: " It' s gonna be... It' s just change, you know. |
| [01:48.304] | Everything changes. |
| [01:49.590] | EVERYTHING was different then, |
| [01:50.766] | so there' s no sort of specifics about it. |
| [01:53.917] | The whole thing' s continually changing. |
| [01:55.903] | So we can' t really comment on why one particular man |
| [02:01.467] | had better white trousers on in 1933. |
| [02:05.115] | There' s nothing to say about it, but it happened." |
| [02:07.916] | PAUL: jokingly to John " Wrap up adlib! Close to script!" |
| [02:10.416] | Q: " Yeah, we should go back to ' copy' now." laughter |
| [02:13.004] | Q: " But changes that did occur in those years... |
| [02:15.290] | How would you describe the kind of change? |
| [02:17.403] | Was it the waking of a sleeping giant? |
| [02:20.290] | We talk about young people, |
| [02:21.640] | and we talk about the fact that so much has awakened |
| [02:25.765] | on the scene of life for young people." |
| [02:28.916] | PAUL: " You know I mean, none of us know what it is. |
| [02:32.428] | I don' t think anyone knows what it is. |
| [02:34.216] | And it' s just... it' s life, you know. |
| [02:36.353] | You appear to grow up, |
| [02:38.741] | and we started off in leather jackets chinging away on guitars. |
| [02:44.978] | And it went through a lot of phases until it got here. |
| [02:49.128] | You know, and that' s all we can say about it. |
| [02:51.404] | I don' t know what happened. laughs |
| [02:52.423] | You can' t say exactly what went on." JOHN: " How can you say?" |
| [02:58.013] | Q: " Do you think that seven, eight, nine, ten years ago, |
| [03:02.138] | that young people were less awake?" |
| [03:05.302] | JOHN: " I think they' re becoming more aware each generation. |
| [03:08.125] | I don' t know whether it' ll end at some point |
| [03:10.414] | and go back to the start. |
| [03:11.475] | But it seems to be going that way more aware." |
| [03:14.338] | Q: " More new experiences all the time?" |
| [03:17.538] | JOHN: " Well of course." |
| [03:18.638] | PAUL: " More aware, but no one' s quite sure |
| [03:20.713] | what it is that they' re aware of. |
| [03:22.813] | But they' re aware of it laughing whatever it is. |
| [03:26.563] | pause You know, it' s one of those things |
| [03:29.087] | you can' t talk about because it gets into things |
| [03:33.125] | you can' t put your finger on. |
| [03:34.575] | to himself Wrap up adlib. Close to script." |
| [03:39.614] | Q: " A lot of older people seem to feel that the young people today, |
| [03:42.313] | as I suppose older people always felt, |
| [03:43.922] | are always rebelling against the older generation. |
| [03:46.521] | But that this rebellion has gone so much further than other rebellions." |
| [03:50.296] | JOHN: " Yes." PAUL: " Yeah." |
| [03:52.771] | JOHN: " What will the next one be like, you know." |
| [03:54.059] | Q: " They' ll rebell against you." |
| [03:55.559] | JOHN: " Depending on what we turn into." |
| [03:57.821] | Q: " What are you going to turn into?" |
| [03:59.734] | JOHN: " Well, if we stay like we are now it mightn' t be bad. |
| [04:03.946] | But we should progress and be able to still communicate with kids |
| [04:07.609] | if this change is as important as it might be. |
| [04:11.559] | But if it isn' t, it' s just the same again. comically, to the announcer What' s yours?" |
| [04:16.171] | Q: " That' s a good question. pause |
| [04:18.008] | But as you leave the 20' s... How soon will that be for both of you?" |
| [04:22.146] | JOHN: " I' m 27." |
| [04:22.896] | PAUL: " 25." |
| [04:24.570] | Q: " You still have a ways to go, |
| [04:25.783] | but you talk about yourselves as gray old men in a sense, |
| [04:28.472] | compared to those years ago." |
| [04:29.771] | JOHN: giggles " It' s only the way you' re hearing it." laughter |
| [04:31.495] | Q: " You' ve made so much money |
| [04:34.045] | and you' ve achieved so much success so early. |
| [04:36.470] | Does this worry you?" |
| [04:37.633] | JOHN: " It' s not a worry, it' s just... |
| [04:39.896] | It saved us wasting our lives achieving it." |
| [04:42.420] | PAUL: " Yeah. Our thing just happens to be |
| [04:45.758] | very condensed and speeded. It' s speeded up..." |
| [04:50.196] | JOHN: " We chose a modern form of success." |
| [04:51.895] | PAUL: "... very quick, because one second we were just there |
| [04:54.782] | doing ' that' with ' that much' money. |
| [04:56.846] | The next second... people normally take a lifetime to do... |
| [05:00.458] | it was just all there suddenly, just handed. |
| [05:03.082] | And we didn' t have to do anything for it." |
| [05:04.896] | JOHN: " Except for work, you know." |
| [05:06.822] | PAUL: " We had to work and do songs and make records, |
| [05:09.958] | and that, but it didn' t feel like anything to us. |
| [05:11.945] | And so, that' s incredible, that. |
| [05:15.708] | ' Cuz it makes you think. laughs |
| [05:16.832] | It also makes you rich." |
| [05:21.858] | JOHN: " It' s a way of doing it. |
| [05:22.995] | There' s lots of careers to choose. |
| [05:24.482] | And you choose one... |
| [05:26.258] | Everybody wants to get something, |
| [05:28.295] | or make something one way or another. |
| [05:30.045] | And we chose a modern way of making it... and the socalled? relative making it, money and cars |
| [05:38.096] | because obviously we didn' t want to spend out lives to get to nowhere." |
| [05:43.355] | PAUL: " It' s like, if you could take a pill to just get famous and rich, |
| [05:46.029] | a lot of people would. And ours was a bit like that." |
| [05:49.254] | Q: " Was this what you really wanted to do it for |
| [05:51.254] | ... you wanted to get rich?" PAUL JOHN: " Yeah." |
| [05:52.548] | JOHN: " You just want to ' make it' whatever you do. |
| [05:56.183] | You all set out leaving school or whatever, and you want to make it. |
| [05:59.945] | So you choose your field, and you make it or you don' t. |
| [06:04.434] | But MAKE IT, that isn' t it because there' s nothing to MAKE. |
| [06:10.145] | So we were in the position to find out it' s not worth spending your life looking... trying to get cars and kid gloves." |
| [06:20.784] | Q: " Has the fun gone out of your musical career |
| [06:26.824] | now that you' ve made so much money?" PAUL JOHN: " No." JOHN: " Nothing like that." |
| [06:29.095] | PAUL: " You see, you' re asking questions which are quite serious... |
| [06:34.309] | and you' re not asking us, uhh you know, |
| [06:38.146] | where we get our hair cut. |
| [06:39.382] | You can' t expect all these sort of happy answers |
| [06:42.655] | when you' re asking serious questions." JOHN: " You want the answers. |
| [06:44.726] | Well, we' re giving you the answer, you know." PAUL: " As we see it." |
| [06:47.387] | PAUL: jokingly " It isn' t very clearly..." |
| [06:49.344] | Q: " Of course it' s unclear... Now that you have this tremendous influence, |
| [06:54.942] | which you obviously have all over the world, |
| [06:57.779] | do you have a particular feeling about what you want to do with this power?" |
| [07:02.005] | JOHN: " Just, whatever it is, to try and channel it for GOOD... |
| [07:05.354] | if we can, you know. |
| [07:07.579] | That' s the only point of doing anything. |
| [07:09.691] | So we' ve got this machine, |
| [07:13.218] | and we' ll try and make use of it, for good, |
| [07:15.667] | and not just to have a machine." |
| [07:17.554] | PAUL: " You know, you' ve got your life and you' re faced with choices in it. |
| [07:23.730] | And for us being suddenly rich and famous, |
| [07:30.593] | and in a position to do something, |
| [07:32.841] | we' ve got a choice of doing either what most people do, |
| [07:37.592] | which is just making more and more money, |
| [07:39.854] | and getting more and more rich and famous... |
| [07:42.066] | or trying to DO something which will help. |
| [07:45.016] | And it sounds a bit like charity, but it' s obviously the one we' ve chosen ' cuz it' s just better. |
| [07:54.433] | And it just might be in the long run..." |
| [07:57.973] | JOHN: " Might be good." |
| [07:58.858] | PAUL: " Might be good." |
| [07:59.846] | Q: " Let' s stick with the young people and the areas that you think are most fruitful to try to help in. |
| [08:05.910] | I asked before, where you thought young people were going, |
| [08:10.360] | and you said well maybe there' ll be a reaction to what they have now. |
| [08:13.322] | How does this relate to the real world as you see it... |
| [08:17.909] | to issues of war and peace, family and country? |
| [08:21.821] | JOHN: " All issues are relative. So it relates like that. |
| [08:26.183] | It' s all just relative to each other. |
| [08:28.008] | War pause and vegetables. |
| [08:30.458] | ' Cuz there' s relativity and absolute. |
| [08:36.112] | And that' s how it relates, you know." |
| [08:39.185] | PAUL: chuckles " Great, Johnny." |
| [08:39.772] | Q: " It' s kind of hard though for some people to interpret you." |
| [08:42.711] | JOHN: " Well, if they can' t interpret it, maybe they will later... |
| [08:46.035] | or come to their own conclusions. |
| [08:49.046] | But that' s the way I think it is." |
| [08:51.583] | PAUL: to John " But what do you think about the young people?" |
| [08:55.359] | JOHN: " Well... I think they' re young, you know, |
| [08:58.658] | and trying to find out. That' s all." |
| [09:00.696] | PAUL: " They seem to be trying to stop wars, and that. " |
| [09:04.521] | JOHN: "... which is beautiful." |
| [09:06.852] | PAUL: " It just looks as though everyone is trying to stop all that killing, and all that fighting." |
| [09:12.165] | JOHN: " It' s a good idea." |
| [09:13.926] | PAUL: " It sounds good. It may be just silly to try, but it may be good!" |
| [09:21.738] | Q: " It may not work." PAUL AND JOHN: quiet chuckle |
| [09:23.662] | Q: " The word ' anarchy' has been used to describe some of the..." |
| [09:27.176] | JONH: " Well I mean, there always will be that element because, |
| [09:31.589] | when they see it as how they see it to become an anarchist, |
| [09:36.800] | it' s ' What can we do about all that?' |
| [09:39.613] | I mean, what can you do really but wear a badge or stand up and shout. |
| [09:45.262] | So the choice is about shouting or ' let it roll.' |
| [09:49.339] | But they' re a group of people who will go on forever, |
| [09:54.053] | but they don' t actually do anything." |
| [09:57.189] | PAUL: " Everyone needs someone to say ' This is how you do it. |
| [10:01.763] | This is what we want you to do,' you know. |
| [10:06.614] | The thing is, it would be great if we knew how you do it. |
| [10:11.177] | We make guesses, but they' re not always right. |
| [10:14.539] | They' re often wrong, in fact. |
| [10:17.166] | It' d be great if we knew what it is you do |
| [10:19.946] | Cuz we are in a good position, |
| [10:20.969] | just to say to all the people who want to know how you do it. |
| [10:23.894] | Cuz there are so many phony institusions saying |
| [10:27.707] | ' And this is how you do it!' |
| [10:29.106] | Nobody can believe them anymore. |
| [10:32.268] | So it would be nice for people, |
| [10:34.406] | for someone to just come along and say..." |
| [10:36.406] | JOHN: " Well, it would have to be Jesus, or Buddha or something." |
| [10:39.056] | PAUL: " Yeah." |
| [10:39.543] | JOHN: " But they don' t seem to be around at the moment." |
| [10:41.970] | Q: " The whole idea of whether you get involved or whether you stay out of it Whether you' re turned on or turned off. |
| [10:48.980] | How do you feel about that?" |
| [10:50.543] | JOHN: " We believe you should turn on and stay in. |
| [10:53.630] | Change it, you know." |
| [10:54.868] | PAUL: jokingly " Drop in... sometime." |
| [10:57.394] | Q: " When you get involved, do you mean getting involved in the establishment and institutions?" |
| [11:04.433] | JOHN: " Well, to change it... |
| [11:04.905] | because unless you change it, it' s going to be there forever. |
| [11:07.294] | So the only thing to do is to try and change it... |
| [11:10.520] | but not replace it with another set of Harris Tweed suits. |
| [11:12.855] | And just change it completely. |
| [11:15.456] | But how you do that, we don' t know." |
| [11:17.493] | PAUL: " There' s a lot of ways, |
| [11:18.168] | but the one we' ve decided on at the moment |
| [11:21.093] | is just to try and get into a business, |
| [11:26.143] | so that we can go to ' them,' you know, |
| [11:31.270] | all those big bosses in all those big companies, |
| [11:34.168] | and talk to them as though we' re..." laughs |
| [11:38.120] | PAUL JOHN: "... one of them!" |
| [11:41.320] | JOHN: " Of course we' re not, so we' ll see what happens." |
| [11:44.858] | PAUL: " We' re not really, |
| [11:45.205] | but we' ve got people who are doing it for us. |
| [11:48.381] | And it' s a bit different from the hippie scene because people think |
| [11:52.569] | " Oh, they haven' t washed and they' ve got long hair. |
| [11:55.919] | Oh that' s naughty,' you know. |
| [11:57.143] | And people don' t communicate with them |
| [12:02.045] | because they don' t like the look of them, or something." |
| [12:03.731] | JOHN: " We' re gonna package peace in a new box." |
| [12:07.344] | PAUL: " We' re trying to get to, like, |
| [12:09.794] | the people who are sort of in control, and say you know, |
| [12:12.982] | ' Come on. Straighten it out. Don' t mess it up.'" JOHN:?? |
| [12:16.104] | Ask if they can??. It doesn' t look as if they can. |
| [12:22.464] | Q: " You went to India and spent time with Maharishi |
| [12:26.588] | who has had great impact, you feel, on your whole outlook. |
| [12:29.113] | Could you decribe how he' s changed things for you?" |
| [12:32.938] | JOHN: " We sort of feel that Maharishi for us was a mistake, really. |
| [12:39.888] | Meditation we don' t think was a mistake. |
| [12:43.038] | But I think we had a false impression of Maharishi, |
| [12:48.737] | like people do of us, you know. |
| [12:50.100] | But what we do happens in public, so it' s a different scene slightly." |
| [12:56.739] | Q: " What was your original impression?" |
| [12:58.300] | JOHN: " We thought he was something other than he was." |
| [13:00.763] | PAUL: " We thought he was magic, you know, |
| [13:04.062] | because he' s got that kind of thing. |
| [13:07.188] | And he sort of, I dont know, the twinkle in the eye. |
| [13:09.924] | And you just think he..." |
| [13:10.888] | JOHN: " We were looking for it, |
| [13:13.074] | and probably superimposed it on him." |
| [13:15.362] | PAUL: " Yeah, it was just the right time anyway. |
| [13:19.112] | There were we, waiting for someone... |
| [13:20.783] | JOHN: " Waiting for a guru. He came.". PAUL:"... the great magic man to come. |
| [13:23.264] | And he came, you know. There he was and he was talking about it all. |
| [13:25.800] | And he had great answers, |
| [13:27.500] | ' cuz he said ' You can sort yourself out,' |
| [13:29.864] | that you can calm yourself down just |
| [13:34.126] | by doing this very simple thing. |
| [13:35.712] | And it works, that bit of it. It really does do it, you know." |
| [13:40.300] | JOHN: " But the other bit He' s giving out recipes for something, |
| [13:44.724] | then he' s still creating the same kind of situations |
| [13:48.889] | which he' s giving out recipes to cure." |
| [13:50.525] | PAUL: " But it seems like the system is more important... |
| [13:53.915] | Q: " Sort of a touch of establishment in the Maharishi?" |
| [13:56.990] | JOHN: " Something, you know. We can' t...." |
| [13:59.215] | PAUL: " He' s okay, but the system is more important, y' know... |
| [14:02.874] | JOHN: Something taking over something... the idea of it. |
| [14:04.808] | JOHN: Some seems to ??? It always goes by the Budhha? bit. |
| [14:09.243] | If people watch Maharishi, or watch us, |
| [14:12.936] | they don' t think about the system |
| [14:16.398] | don' t think about what it' s about, you know. " |
| [14:17.847] | Q: " He got you to stop taking drugs." |
| [14:22.459] | JOHN: " No he didn' t. |
| [14:23.441] | We' d stopped taking drugs a couple of months before, when we met him. |
| [14:28.141] | And that was just sort of... |
| [14:30.604] | The newspapers said, ' Oh! Put it together, we got a title.' |
| [14:34.706] | But it' s just not true." |
| [14:36.479] | Q: " You feel that drugs are not necessary anymore for what you do?" |
| [14:41.480] | JOHN: " Uhh, I don' t know. |
| [14:42.666] | I' m not making any statements about what I' m going to do for the next 60 years or whatever it is, because I' ve no idea anymore. |
| [14:51.794] | You can never really know, but just have a vague goal." |
| [14:56.369] | PAUL: " Not at the moment, anyway." |
| [14:59.104] | JOHN: " It' s no use saying ' I will never take drugs' |
| [15:01.729] | or ' I WILL take drugs,' because you don' t know." |
| [15:04.616] | Q: " After the experiences that you' ve had, |
| [15:07.679] | do you think that young people who are your fans, |
| [15:12.080] | who idolize you, ought to try the same thing?" |
| [15:14.969] | JOHN: " No. We don' t give instructions on how to live your life. |
| [15:18.255] | The only thing we can do, because we' re in the public eye, |
| [15:20.404] | is to reflect what we do. |
| [15:25.281] | And they can judge for themselves what happens to us |
| [15:27.392] | with Maharishi, with drugs, with whatever we go on. |
| [15:31.406] | If they' re using us as a guideline. |
| [15:32.929] | And we can only try and do what' s right for us, |
| [15:36.216] | and therefore, we hope right for them." |
| [15:39.367] | PAUL: " Some fella said to me, |
| [15:41.470] | ' Have you had LSD, Paul?' |
| [15:43.996] | And I said ' Yes.' And it was only ' cuz |
| [15:49.432] | I was going to just be honest with him. |
| [15:50.969] | There' s no other reason. |
| [15:52.533] | I didn' t want to spread it or anything, you know. |
| [15:54.319] | I' m not trying to do anything except answer his question. |
| [15:57.746] | But he happened to be a reporter, |
| [15:59.231] | and I happened to be a Beatle. |
| [16:00.844] | So it went into that, you know." |
| [16:03.144] | JOHN: " And it was his responsibility, |
| [16:04.269] | or his paper' s responsibility and his TV station." |
| [16:08.044] | PAUL: " That' s the thing He immediately said ' Oh, it' s this man' s responsibility. He' s just saying all the kids should take LSD.' |
| [16:15.921] | And I didn' t, you know. I just said, |
| [16:19.257] | ' Yes I' ve taken it. Okay I own up,' you know." |
| [16:21.620] | Q: " Do you think the press distorts a great deal of what you say?" PAUL JOHN: Yes!" |
| [16:25.783] | JOHN: " I don' t think there' s anywhere, |
| [16:27.019] | any truth coming over about what' s happening at all." laughter |
| [16:29.909] | Q: " Generally, all the way across the board?" |
| [16:33.858] | JOHN: " There is no truth coming out, at all. PAUL: It' s not ??? |
| [16:38.270] | The only true thing about newspapers is the name of the newpaper. PAUL: I mean newspapers... |
| [16:44.820] | And I' m not saying that they are intentionally evil or anything, |
| [16:49.660] | it' s just they can' t control it. |
| [16:51.796] | And the system won' t allow truth to come out." PAUL: " Yeah." |
| [16:55.132] | JOHN: " So there' s something wrong with the system." |
| [16:57.220] | PAUL: " You know I mean, this |
| [16:59.923] | It' s a pretty sort of ordinary interview. |
| [17:02.984] | It' s pretty dull, you know. |
| [17:03.945] | Except for one or two little things, which will have been headlines..." |
| [17:08.170] | Q: " Of course, when someone watches television, they see it." PAUL: ... and that' s what the newspapers use to take them...??? |
| [17:11.908] | JOHN: " Television is a bit better, |
| [17:14.369] | but it' s still under the influence of the system |
| [17:18.596] | that doesn' t really allow truth to come out." |
| [17:20.520] | Q: " Well, now you' re saying what you think and people are seeing what you say." |
| [17:24.233] | JOHN: " Just for this moment, maybe. |
| [17:26.358] | If we are saying the truth as we know it. |
| [17:29.382] | but in general, I mean... |
| [17:31.158] | Are you saying that the truth is coming out all the time? |
| [17:33.784] | I don' t know. You think so? You try, yeah, PAUL: No, it' s probably not, I mean.... |
| [17:38.746] | you try but you' ve still got a system which restricts and inhibits people speaking their mind. |
| [17:45.320] | I mean, we can speak our mind now about these subjects. |
| [17:47.557] | But there will be limits imposed. And Rules." PAUL: " Mmmm." |
| [17:52.044] | JOHN: "... which are to safeguard something or other. |
| [17:54.094] | But safeguarding it prevents... it has a side effect. |
| [17:59.422] | And the choice is, where to draw the line." |
| [18:03.746] | PAUL: " It' s like, if you were to ask either of us a question that the answer would be obscene..." |
| [18:12.408] | JOHN: " There' s a censor." |
| [18:13.444] | PAUL: " There' s a limit, you know, to where you could go." |
| [18:15.620] | JOHN: " We couldn' t describe making love to somebody, |
| [18:18.932] | because the system doesn' t allow that. PAUL: But anyway that' s still not to do without truth. They... |
| [18:21.694] | You couldn' t just describe it. That' s where the system' s at." |
| [18:29.069] | Q: " One of the big controversies in your country had been recently |
| [18:34.508] | the whole question of racial integration and of cutting off immigration, |
| [18:38.658] | and of asking some of your nonwhites to go back home again. |
| [18:42.871] | You' ve been asked about this, undoubtedly." JOHN: " No." |
| [18:46.493] | Q: ' Do you think this is the kind of government policy that you want in your country?" |
| [18:52.696] | JOHN: " We sow what we reap, or whatever it is. PAUL: Mmm |
| [18:55.709] | And Britain is paying for what it did to all those countries. |
| [18:59.996] | And to say, ' Keep out,' is just barking in the garden, you know. |
| [19:05.794] | Because whatever is going to happen will happen like that." |
| [19:09.319] | PAUL: " It was just some fella who said in a speech one day..." |
| [19:13.307] | JOHN: " He said what a lot of them thought." PAUL: He??? a few votes and y' know ?? |
| [19:16.495] | Q: " And a lot of people in Liverpool, and other places you know well, favor what he said, apparantly." |
| [19:21.895] | JOHN: " Sure." PAUL: " Yeah." |
| [19:22.744] | JOHN: " Because those people are all over the place. |
| [19:24.125] | That' s why the governments are in power." PAUL: " You know those people, they don' t know a thing. They just hate." |
| [19:27.321] | JOHN: " Because they' re not told anything, as well." |
| [19:30.545] | PAUL: " It' s people like this They say " I' m white and he' s black.' |
| [19:35.921] | Hate, hate, hate. They just hate him." |
| [19:38.571] | JOHN: " And he' s not brought up any other way." |
| [19:39.969] | PAUL: " You know, they don' t know anything else than that, |
| [19:42.244] | so they' ve got to agree with this fella who says |
| [19:44.731] | " We' ve got a dangerous situation here.'" |
| [19:46.256] | JOHN: " And they vote him in, and he just makes them feel alright. |
| [19:49.295] | And he tells them that ' You' re right! You know what' s happening. |
| [19:52.245] | You put me in power' |
| [19:53.131] | But what they don' t know is that he knows a bit more what' s going on. |
| [19:58.097] | That' s why he' s in power. |
| [19:59.082] | But he' s not going to tell them what' s happening because he wants to stay in power. |
| [20:03.462] | Because if they knew, they wouldn' t have put him in power, somebody else would be." |
| [20:06.782] | PAUL: " But it' s not as bad in England as it is here." |
| [20:09.719] | JOHN: " It probably is, but it' s just a different..." |
| [20:12.169] | PAUL: " I don' t think it is." |
| [20:13.193] | Q: " You' re talking about racism?" |
| [20:14.418] | JOHN: " Well, it will be then." |
| [20:16.644] | PAUL: " I don' t think it' s as bad, just from what I' ve seen. |
| [20:21.633] | It might be. ' Cuz it' s hidden more in England, definitely, you know." |
| [20:24.495] | JOHN: " That might be worse." |
| [20:26.556] | PAUL: " That might be worse, yeah. |
| [20:27.093] | But there' s just not the numbers going on." |
| [20:33.221] | JOHN: " Well, it' s just that. England is THAT big, |
| [20:35.258] | and America is THAT big." |
| [20:37.052] | PAUL: giggles, jokingly " It' s much worse in England, you know!" laughter |
| [20:40.077] | Q: ???... Tell us about it. JOHN: giggling... terrible things... Oh no, he was joking then. Q: laughing " Really?!" JOHN: " He came ' round the circle." |
| [20:50.718] | Q: " This business of color, and young people, and people who follow you... This doesn' t have any significance in the mind of many of your young people?" |
| [21:01.943] | PAUL: " No, it' s good. Most people don' t... |
| [21:03.932] | It seems to be older people who really have got hangups." |
| [21:07.608] | JOHN: " Yes, and musicians and their vibrations don' t usually have this about what street you live on. |
| [21:15.333] | I mean, they get that scene sorted out as soon as they meet other musicians. Because it' s the music that counts. |
| [21:21.496] | There' s no common denominator for society like music or whatever they' re going for." |
| [21:26.884] | PAUL: " If someone can play guitar, it doesn' t matter what colored hands he uses." |
| [21:30.882] | JOHN: " But it also doesn' t matter for the carpenter and the bricklayer, and all that." |
| [21:35.382] | PAUL: " But I mean, everyone knows that anyway. There' s only a few... I don' t know who these people are who..." |
| [21:43.985] | JOHN: giggling " They' re the ones who vote for those people." |
| [21:46.695] | PAUL: giggles " You know, there' s just some funny people around who' re messing it up." |
| [21:50.572] | JOHN: " Lots of them." |
| [21:51.294] | PAUL: " Let' s find those people." |
| [21:53.094] | Q: " Of course, there' s people who don' t like the long hair..." |
| [21:54.882] | JOHN: " Well, we know those people are SICK! |
| [21:57.946] | And we might all be sick. |
| [22:00.995] | But their manifestations of sickness are pretty horrible, really. Frightening." |
| [22:08.259] | PAUL: " There was some thing in England where a kid went to the barbers and his Uncle said ' Go and get your hair cut.' |
| [22:15.544] | And so he went and he just had a little bit off, |
| [22:17.119] | ' cuz he had it quite long and he liked it. |
| [22:18.495] | And he came back with just a bit off |
| [22:20.807] | So his Uncle, his guardian, |
| [22:22.407] | got annoyed and dragged him back and had it all off. |
| [22:25.295] | The kid just come with a little crewcut, |
| [22:27.532] | and he was really broken up about it. |
| [22:30.169] | And the next morning they found him on the railway lines. |
| [22:32.032] | The kid has just sort of laid down with his crewcut. |
| [22:35.259] | chop You know, there' s no need for that." |
| [22:38.960] | JOHN: " To make haircuts that important is insanity." |
| [22:41.320] | Q: " Some people probably say to you, |
| [22:43.918] | ' Why don' t you cut your hair short? |
| [22:46.233] | Are you just wearing it that way to be different?'" |
| [22:48.394] | PAUL: " No it' s just, ' Why don' t you wear yours long,' you know." |
| [22:51.870] | JOHN: " We know what we like in that respect. |
| [22:54.019] | We please ourselves. |
| [22:55.794] | And what' s it got to do with pause some man with one eye." laughter PAULL: It is not... there' s no... giggling |
| [23:03.700] | JOHN: giggling " You know that man with one eye that' s always sitting ' round the back!" laughter |
| [23:07.667] | JOHN: "... and asking ya why your hair is long!" Q: Yeah... But he' s always there... |
| [23:12.240] | PAUL: laughs " Yeah, but all those things about hair and color... You know, |
| [23:16.017] | all those things that hang people up. |
| [23:17.654] | There' s no need, ' cuz there' s no worry. |
| [23:20.253] | I mean, those are the least worrying things around." |
| [23:22.290] | JOHN: " But they' re the causes, aren' t they! PAUL: Yeah, they seem to be... One of the ?? causes. Dittle dittle rum bumble bumble?" |
| [23:28.719] | Q: " What about the Queen and royalty in Britain? Is that a hang up?" |
| [23:32.655] | JOHN: " It' s not a hang up, but I mean |
| [23:34.466] | Imagine being brought up like that for twothousand years. |
| [23:37.768] | You must be pretty freaky. |
| [23:39.353] | And they must have a hard time trying to be human beings. |
| [23:42.716] | I don' t know if any of them will ever make it, |
| [23:44.691] | ' cuz I don' t know much about them. |
| [23:46.728] | But, you feel sorry for people like that. |
| [23:50.266] | ' Cuz it' s like us, only worse! |
| [23:53.917] | And whether they know what' s going on or not is another subject." |
| [23:57.617] | PAUL: " They' ve probably got their own thing, you know, inside the castle." |
| [24:00.528] | JOHN: Mmm... Chest?. Paul: Giggling No they are just... |
| [24:03.287] | Q: Well, you' ve been inside the castle ??? the decorations... PAUL: No , I mean.... |
| [24:06.189] | JOHN: " That is a very strange life, isn' t it. |
| [24:08.162] | I mean, that' s another manifestation of craziness." |
| [24:11.415] | PAUL: " You don' t really TALK to her ' cuz she' s the Queen. |
| [24:13.763] | It' s like you don' t really TALK to President Johnson ever. |
| [24:16.112] | You just sort of shake hands and APPEAR to talk to him." |
| [24:19.149] | JOHN: " And if they BELIEVE that they' re royal, that' s the joke. |
| [24:21.812] | You know, if they believe it..." |
| [24:23.899] | PAUL: " It' s crazy." |
| [24:25.613] | JOHN: "... well they can carry on, you know. |
| [24:26.912] | Because it' s just very strange to think that you are royal." |
| [24:30.199] | PAUL: " They' re probably just great and human and have just got their own scene going, you know." |
| [24:36.326] | JOHN: " One or two of them, maybe... giggles over fivemillion." |
| [24:38.913] | PAUL: " And it' s just a very difficult job." |
| [24:40.111] | Q: " Do you think it all should end?" |
| [24:41.661] | JOHN: " Well, I dont know about that. But it' s very costly." PAUL: laughs |
| [24:46.398] | JOHN: " It' s priorities really, isn' t it." |
| [24:48.940] | Q: " It' s been said that you have such a tremendous amount of influence. |
| [24:54.270] | You said yourself in that very controversial remark one time that you were more popular than Jesus, |
| [24:58.745] | and you had to correct the interpretation of that." JOHN: " Yeah." |
| [25:01.284] | PAUL: "' The Queen is freaky' isn' t a bad one." |
| [25:03.032] | Q: " Yeah, that' s not too bad, either. ??? never had bigger crowds? as you did |
| [25:04.631] | PAUL: jokingly " Another headline taken out of context yet again!" |
| [25:10.060] | Q: " The United States has been plagued by the war in Vietnam, |
| [25:13.603] | and the world has been concerned about it. |
| [25:16.678] | What are your views about the war?" |
| [25:17.928] | JOHN: " It' s another piece of insanity. |
| [25:20.327] | It' s all part of the same insane scene that' s going on. |
| [25:25.363] | It' s just insane. It shouldn' t be going on. There' s nothing else for it... no reason, just insanity." |
| [25:32.873] | PAUL: " You know, whoever' s right and whoever' s wrong, |
| [25:37.252] | it' s still... the thing that' s going on there isn' t a good thing. It' s only that much willed?. |
| [25:44.637] | A few bits of it does rough things going on. |
| [25:48.824] | A few bits does worse things and a few bits is just insane. And that' s one of those bits. |
| [25:55.625] | Q: " Since you' re not diplomats, let me ask you to meddle in American politics as our concluding question. |
| [26:01.476] | We have a lot of candidates..." PAUL JOHN: " We don' t know much about it." |
| [26:03.917] | Q: " You know the names..." JOHN: " No." |
| [26:05.434] | Q: " You' ve heard the names..." |
| [26:06.581] | JOHN: " Not really." PAUL: jokingly Eisenhower?" Q: laughs JOHN: " We hear the sort of Kennedy, |
| [26:09.472] | and we met a man called Green who sells plastic flowers to try and get people to vote for him, |
| [26:16.285] | which is a good sign of what he is, anyway. |
| [26:18.683] | But we don' t know much others." |
| [26:20.283] | PAUL: peace symbols " Doves." JOHN: " Doves and olives." laughter |
| [26:21.783] | JOHN: " Anything about that, my choice would be a dove. |
| [26:25.773] | But I mean, it might be an insane dove. |
| [26:27.370] | That' s the risk you gotta take." |
| [26:29.808] | Q: " You' re not ready to make a commitment?" |
| [26:35.447] | PAUL: " Yeah sure. Go on, ask some." |
| [26:36.796] | Q: " Would you pick a McCarthy, or a Kennedy?" JOHN: " A dove." |
| [26:39.458] | Q: " Humphrey, Nixon or Rockefeller?" JOHN: " A dove." |
| [26:43.809] | PAUL: " Yeah. You know, it' s just too hard ' cuz we don' t know what they are, those people. |
| [26:50.260] | We see all their pictures in the paper, |
| [26:52.546] | but we don' t know really what they' re doing. Do you?" |
| [26:55.547] | Q: " What about Harold Wilson?" Merseyside member of Parliament and thencurrent Prime Minister |
| [26:58.897] | JOHN: " Yes! What' s HE doing?!" laughter |
| [27:00.771] | JOHN: " I mean, what are they all doing? That' s the point." |
| [27:03.423] | Q: " Let me just ask this one final question. |
| [27:06.935] | What do you do when you talk about the establishment, |
| [27:09.922] | and you try to put something in it' s place... when you' re not satisfied with..." |
| [27:13.848] | JOHN: " We' re all part of it as well. |
| [27:15.146] | I mean, the establishment is abstract and all that bit. |
| [27:18.649] | We' re all part of it. |
| [27:20.659] | So it' s just to change it anyway you can, if you think you can. |
| [27:26.998] | That' s all you can do." |
| [27:28.197] | Q: " Gentlemen, Thank you very much." |
| [27:30.421] | JOHN: " Pleasure." PAUL: " Thank you." |
| [27:31.844] | Q: John Lennon and Paul McCartney. |
| [00:00.000] | zuò cí : N A |
| [00:00.000] | zuò qǔ : N A |
| [00:00.000] | Q: John Lennon and Paul McCartney , |
| [00:01.998] | What do you think is the one single thing |
| [00:04.073] | that most contributed to your phenomenal, |
| [00:06.185] | unprecedented success in the past 8 or 9 years? Any single thing?" |
| [00:11.994] | JOHN: " Umm, God?" |
| [00:13.667] | PAUL: " I' ll go along with that." |
| [00:17.316] | Q: " So much has been said that you started a trend, |
| [00:21.403] | and that the trend that exists today |
| [00:23.392] | this whole psychedelic mixedmedia world..." PAUL JOHN: laugh |
| [00:26.880] | Q: "... kind of goes back to the early days |
| [00:28.828] | when you embarked on that, some have said, rockstrewn path." |
| [00:32.204] | JOHN: " We' re just part of it, whatever it is." |
| [00:35.242] | PAUL: " We didn' t set that one. We' re just rolling along with it." |
| [00:38.791] | JOHN: " But we' re part of it, you know." |
| [00:40.941] | Q: " But you were so much ahead, though, as so many have said." |
| [00:43.678] | JOHN: " To a degree. There' s always somebody a bit ahead." |
| [00:46.028] | Q: " What led you down that road in the first place? |
| [00:49.667] | What brought you into that medium?" |
| [00:51.916] | PAUL: " Progress. Just natural progress as things change. |
| [00:57.967] | You know, they just keep changing. You can' t help it. |
| [00:59.816] | And we just laughs kept along with them as they kept changing... |
| [01:04.028] | And here we are!" |
| [01:05.841] | Q: " The millions of young people that now are grown up, |
| [01:10.354] | I suppose, had started out with you a few years ago. |
| [01:12.628] | They' ve been affected, it' s said, by what you' ve done, |
| [01:16.578] | deeply and permanently. |
| [01:18.229] | Do you think this is true?" |
| [01:19.378] | JOHN: " Yeah, in some cases that will be true." |
| [01:22.416] | PAUL: " Yeah, and it goes for us, too. |
| [01:24.166] | We' ve been affected by them." |
| [01:25.554] | JOHN: " I tell ya, I' m permanently affected by Elvis Presley... |
| [01:27.753] | Permanently affected by whoever it is you' re affected by." |
| [01:30.629] | PAUL: jokingly "... scars to prove it." |
| [01:32.241] | Q: " Going back again to the early 1960' s |
| [01:36.141] | when you first achieved your outstanding success. |
| [01:39.641] | Things were very different in the world then |
| [01:41.666] | the world of popular music and the world of youth, |
| [01:43.904] | weren' t they, than they are today." |
| [01:45.365] | JOHN: " It' s gonna be... It' s just change, you know. |
| [01:48.304] | Everything changes. |
| [01:49.590] | EVERYTHING was different then, |
| [01:50.766] | so there' s no sort of specifics about it. |
| [01:53.917] | The whole thing' s continually changing. |
| [01:55.903] | So we can' t really comment on why one particular man |
| [02:01.467] | had better white trousers on in 1933. |
| [02:05.115] | There' s nothing to say about it, but it happened." |
| [02:07.916] | PAUL: jokingly to John " Wrap up adlib! Close to script!" |
| [02:10.416] | Q: " Yeah, we should go back to ' copy' now." laughter |
| [02:13.004] | Q: " But changes that did occur in those years... |
| [02:15.290] | How would you describe the kind of change? |
| [02:17.403] | Was it the waking of a sleeping giant? |
| [02:20.290] | We talk about young people, |
| [02:21.640] | and we talk about the fact that so much has awakened |
| [02:25.765] | on the scene of life for young people." |
| [02:28.916] | PAUL: " You know I mean, none of us know what it is. |
| [02:32.428] | I don' t think anyone knows what it is. |
| [02:34.216] | And it' s just... it' s life, you know. |
| [02:36.353] | You appear to grow up, |
| [02:38.741] | and we started off in leather jackets chinging away on guitars. |
| [02:44.978] | And it went through a lot of phases until it got here. |
| [02:49.128] | You know, and that' s all we can say about it. |
| [02:51.404] | I don' t know what happened. laughs |
| [02:52.423] | You can' t say exactly what went on." JOHN: " How can you say?" |
| [02:58.013] | Q: " Do you think that seven, eight, nine, ten years ago, |
| [03:02.138] | that young people were less awake?" |
| [03:05.302] | JOHN: " I think they' re becoming more aware each generation. |
| [03:08.125] | I don' t know whether it' ll end at some point |
| [03:10.414] | and go back to the start. |
| [03:11.475] | But it seems to be going that way more aware." |
| [03:14.338] | Q: " More new experiences all the time?" |
| [03:17.538] | JOHN: " Well of course." |
| [03:18.638] | PAUL: " More aware, but no one' s quite sure |
| [03:20.713] | what it is that they' re aware of. |
| [03:22.813] | But they' re aware of it laughing whatever it is. |
| [03:26.563] | pause You know, it' s one of those things |
| [03:29.087] | you can' t talk about because it gets into things |
| [03:33.125] | you can' t put your finger on. |
| [03:34.575] | to himself Wrap up adlib. Close to script." |
| [03:39.614] | Q: " A lot of older people seem to feel that the young people today, |
| [03:42.313] | as I suppose older people always felt, |
| [03:43.922] | are always rebelling against the older generation. |
| [03:46.521] | But that this rebellion has gone so much further than other rebellions." |
| [03:50.296] | JOHN: " Yes." PAUL: " Yeah." |
| [03:52.771] | JOHN: " What will the next one be like, you know." |
| [03:54.059] | Q: " They' ll rebell against you." |
| [03:55.559] | JOHN: " Depending on what we turn into." |
| [03:57.821] | Q: " What are you going to turn into?" |
| [03:59.734] | JOHN: " Well, if we stay like we are now it mightn' t be bad. |
| [04:03.946] | But we should progress and be able to still communicate with kids |
| [04:07.609] | if this change is as important as it might be. |
| [04:11.559] | But if it isn' t, it' s just the same again. comically, to the announcer What' s yours?" |
| [04:16.171] | Q: " That' s a good question. pause |
| [04:18.008] | But as you leave the 20' s... How soon will that be for both of you?" |
| [04:22.146] | JOHN: " I' m 27." |
| [04:22.896] | PAUL: " 25." |
| [04:24.570] | Q: " You still have a ways to go, |
| [04:25.783] | but you talk about yourselves as gray old men in a sense, |
| [04:28.472] | compared to those years ago." |
| [04:29.771] | JOHN: giggles " It' s only the way you' re hearing it." laughter |
| [04:31.495] | Q: " You' ve made so much money |
| [04:34.045] | and you' ve achieved so much success so early. |
| [04:36.470] | Does this worry you?" |
| [04:37.633] | JOHN: " It' s not a worry, it' s just... |
| [04:39.896] | It saved us wasting our lives achieving it." |
| [04:42.420] | PAUL: " Yeah. Our thing just happens to be |
| [04:45.758] | very condensed and speeded. It' s speeded up..." |
| [04:50.196] | JOHN: " We chose a modern form of success." |
| [04:51.895] | PAUL: "... very quick, because one second we were just there |
| [04:54.782] | doing ' that' with ' that much' money. |
| [04:56.846] | The next second... people normally take a lifetime to do... |
| [05:00.458] | it was just all there suddenly, just handed. |
| [05:03.082] | And we didn' t have to do anything for it." |
| [05:04.896] | JOHN: " Except for work, you know." |
| [05:06.822] | PAUL: " We had to work and do songs and make records, |
| [05:09.958] | and that, but it didn' t feel like anything to us. |
| [05:11.945] | And so, that' s incredible, that. |
| [05:15.708] | ' Cuz it makes you think. laughs |
| [05:16.832] | It also makes you rich." |
| [05:21.858] | JOHN: " It' s a way of doing it. |
| [05:22.995] | There' s lots of careers to choose. |
| [05:24.482] | And you choose one... |
| [05:26.258] | Everybody wants to get something, |
| [05:28.295] | or make something one way or another. |
| [05:30.045] | And we chose a modern way of making it... and the socalled? relative making it, money and cars |
| [05:38.096] | because obviously we didn' t want to spend out lives to get to nowhere." |
| [05:43.355] | PAUL: " It' s like, if you could take a pill to just get famous and rich, |
| [05:46.029] | a lot of people would. And ours was a bit like that." |
| [05:49.254] | Q: " Was this what you really wanted to do it for |
| [05:51.254] | ... you wanted to get rich?" PAUL JOHN: " Yeah." |
| [05:52.548] | JOHN: " You just want to ' make it' whatever you do. |
| [05:56.183] | You all set out leaving school or whatever, and you want to make it. |
| [05:59.945] | So you choose your field, and you make it or you don' t. |
| [06:04.434] | But MAKE IT, that isn' t it because there' s nothing to MAKE. |
| [06:10.145] | So we were in the position to find out it' s not worth spending your life looking... trying to get cars and kid gloves." |
| [06:20.784] | Q: " Has the fun gone out of your musical career |
| [06:26.824] | now that you' ve made so much money?" PAUL JOHN: " No." JOHN: " Nothing like that." |
| [06:29.095] | PAUL: " You see, you' re asking questions which are quite serious... |
| [06:34.309] | and you' re not asking us, uhh you know, |
| [06:38.146] | where we get our hair cut. |
| [06:39.382] | You can' t expect all these sort of happy answers |
| [06:42.655] | when you' re asking serious questions." JOHN: " You want the answers. |
| [06:44.726] | Well, we' re giving you the answer, you know." PAUL: " As we see it." |
| [06:47.387] | PAUL: jokingly " It isn' t very clearly..." |
| [06:49.344] | Q: " Of course it' s unclear... Now that you have this tremendous influence, |
| [06:54.942] | which you obviously have all over the world, |
| [06:57.779] | do you have a particular feeling about what you want to do with this power?" |
| [07:02.005] | JOHN: " Just, whatever it is, to try and channel it for GOOD... |
| [07:05.354] | if we can, you know. |
| [07:07.579] | That' s the only point of doing anything. |
| [07:09.691] | So we' ve got this machine, |
| [07:13.218] | and we' ll try and make use of it, for good, |
| [07:15.667] | and not just to have a machine." |
| [07:17.554] | PAUL: " You know, you' ve got your life and you' re faced with choices in it. |
| [07:23.730] | And for us being suddenly rich and famous, |
| [07:30.593] | and in a position to do something, |
| [07:32.841] | we' ve got a choice of doing either what most people do, |
| [07:37.592] | which is just making more and more money, |
| [07:39.854] | and getting more and more rich and famous... |
| [07:42.066] | or trying to DO something which will help. |
| [07:45.016] | And it sounds a bit like charity, but it' s obviously the one we' ve chosen ' cuz it' s just better. |
| [07:54.433] | And it just might be in the long run..." |
| [07:57.973] | JOHN: " Might be good." |
| [07:58.858] | PAUL: " Might be good." |
| [07:59.846] | Q: " Let' s stick with the young people and the areas that you think are most fruitful to try to help in. |
| [08:05.910] | I asked before, where you thought young people were going, |
| [08:10.360] | and you said well maybe there' ll be a reaction to what they have now. |
| [08:13.322] | How does this relate to the real world as you see it... |
| [08:17.909] | to issues of war and peace, family and country? |
| [08:21.821] | JOHN: " All issues are relative. So it relates like that. |
| [08:26.183] | It' s all just relative to each other. |
| [08:28.008] | War pause and vegetables. |
| [08:30.458] | ' Cuz there' s relativity and absolute. |
| [08:36.112] | And that' s how it relates, you know." |
| [08:39.185] | PAUL: chuckles " Great, Johnny." |
| [08:39.772] | Q: " It' s kind of hard though for some people to interpret you." |
| [08:42.711] | JOHN: " Well, if they can' t interpret it, maybe they will later... |
| [08:46.035] | or come to their own conclusions. |
| [08:49.046] | But that' s the way I think it is." |
| [08:51.583] | PAUL: to John " But what do you think about the young people?" |
| [08:55.359] | JOHN: " Well... I think they' re young, you know, |
| [08:58.658] | and trying to find out. That' s all." |
| [09:00.696] | PAUL: " They seem to be trying to stop wars, and that. " |
| [09:04.521] | JOHN: "... which is beautiful." |
| [09:06.852] | PAUL: " It just looks as though everyone is trying to stop all that killing, and all that fighting." |
| [09:12.165] | JOHN: " It' s a good idea." |
| [09:13.926] | PAUL: " It sounds good. It may be just silly to try, but it may be good!" |
| [09:21.738] | Q: " It may not work." PAUL AND JOHN: quiet chuckle |
| [09:23.662] | Q: " The word ' anarchy' has been used to describe some of the..." |
| [09:27.176] | JONH: " Well I mean, there always will be that element because, |
| [09:31.589] | when they see it as how they see it to become an anarchist, |
| [09:36.800] | it' s ' What can we do about all that?' |
| [09:39.613] | I mean, what can you do really but wear a badge or stand up and shout. |
| [09:45.262] | So the choice is about shouting or ' let it roll.' |
| [09:49.339] | But they' re a group of people who will go on forever, |
| [09:54.053] | but they don' t actually do anything." |
| [09:57.189] | PAUL: " Everyone needs someone to say ' This is how you do it. |
| [10:01.763] | This is what we want you to do,' you know. |
| [10:06.614] | The thing is, it would be great if we knew how you do it. |
| [10:11.177] | We make guesses, but they' re not always right. |
| [10:14.539] | They' re often wrong, in fact. |
| [10:17.166] | It' d be great if we knew what it is you do |
| [10:19.946] | Cuz we are in a good position, |
| [10:20.969] | just to say to all the people who want to know how you do it. |
| [10:23.894] | Cuz there are so many phony institusions saying |
| [10:27.707] | ' And this is how you do it!' |
| [10:29.106] | Nobody can believe them anymore. |
| [10:32.268] | So it would be nice for people, |
| [10:34.406] | for someone to just come along and say..." |
| [10:36.406] | JOHN: " Well, it would have to be Jesus, or Buddha or something." |
| [10:39.056] | PAUL: " Yeah." |
| [10:39.543] | JOHN: " But they don' t seem to be around at the moment." |
| [10:41.970] | Q: " The whole idea of whether you get involved or whether you stay out of it Whether you' re turned on or turned off. |
| [10:48.980] | How do you feel about that?" |
| [10:50.543] | JOHN: " We believe you should turn on and stay in. |
| [10:53.630] | Change it, you know." |
| [10:54.868] | PAUL: jokingly " Drop in... sometime." |
| [10:57.394] | Q: " When you get involved, do you mean getting involved in the establishment and institutions?" |
| [11:04.433] | JOHN: " Well, to change it... |
| [11:04.905] | because unless you change it, it' s going to be there forever. |
| [11:07.294] | So the only thing to do is to try and change it... |
| [11:10.520] | but not replace it with another set of Harris Tweed suits. |
| [11:12.855] | And just change it completely. |
| [11:15.456] | But how you do that, we don' t know." |
| [11:17.493] | PAUL: " There' s a lot of ways, |
| [11:18.168] | but the one we' ve decided on at the moment |
| [11:21.093] | is just to try and get into a business, |
| [11:26.143] | so that we can go to ' them,' you know, |
| [11:31.270] | all those big bosses in all those big companies, |
| [11:34.168] | and talk to them as though we' re..." laughs |
| [11:38.120] | PAUL JOHN: "... one of them!" |
| [11:41.320] | JOHN: " Of course we' re not, so we' ll see what happens." |
| [11:44.858] | PAUL: " We' re not really, |
| [11:45.205] | but we' ve got people who are doing it for us. |
| [11:48.381] | And it' s a bit different from the hippie scene because people think |
| [11:52.569] | " Oh, they haven' t washed and they' ve got long hair. |
| [11:55.919] | Oh that' s naughty,' you know. |
| [11:57.143] | And people don' t communicate with them |
| [12:02.045] | because they don' t like the look of them, or something." |
| [12:03.731] | JOHN: " We' re gonna package peace in a new box." |
| [12:07.344] | PAUL: " We' re trying to get to, like, |
| [12:09.794] | the people who are sort of in control, and say you know, |
| [12:12.982] | ' Come on. Straighten it out. Don' t mess it up.'" JOHN:?? |
| [12:16.104] | Ask if they can??. It doesn' t look as if they can. |
| [12:22.464] | Q: " You went to India and spent time with Maharishi |
| [12:26.588] | who has had great impact, you feel, on your whole outlook. |
| [12:29.113] | Could you decribe how he' s changed things for you?" |
| [12:32.938] | JOHN: " We sort of feel that Maharishi for us was a mistake, really. |
| [12:39.888] | Meditation we don' t think was a mistake. |
| [12:43.038] | But I think we had a false impression of Maharishi, |
| [12:48.737] | like people do of us, you know. |
| [12:50.100] | But what we do happens in public, so it' s a different scene slightly." |
| [12:56.739] | Q: " What was your original impression?" |
| [12:58.300] | JOHN: " We thought he was something other than he was." |
| [13:00.763] | PAUL: " We thought he was magic, you know, |
| [13:04.062] | because he' s got that kind of thing. |
| [13:07.188] | And he sort of, I dont know, the twinkle in the eye. |
| [13:09.924] | And you just think he..." |
| [13:10.888] | JOHN: " We were looking for it, |
| [13:13.074] | and probably superimposed it on him." |
| [13:15.362] | PAUL: " Yeah, it was just the right time anyway. |
| [13:19.112] | There were we, waiting for someone... |
| [13:20.783] | JOHN: " Waiting for a guru. He came.". PAUL:"... the great magic man to come. |
| [13:23.264] | And he came, you know. There he was and he was talking about it all. |
| [13:25.800] | And he had great answers, |
| [13:27.500] | ' cuz he said ' You can sort yourself out,' |
| [13:29.864] | that you can calm yourself down just |
| [13:34.126] | by doing this very simple thing. |
| [13:35.712] | And it works, that bit of it. It really does do it, you know." |
| [13:40.300] | JOHN: " But the other bit He' s giving out recipes for something, |
| [13:44.724] | then he' s still creating the same kind of situations |
| [13:48.889] | which he' s giving out recipes to cure." |
| [13:50.525] | PAUL: " But it seems like the system is more important... |
| [13:53.915] | Q: " Sort of a touch of establishment in the Maharishi?" |
| [13:56.990] | JOHN: " Something, you know. We can' t...." |
| [13:59.215] | PAUL: " He' s okay, but the system is more important, y' know... |
| [14:02.874] | JOHN: Something taking over something... the idea of it. |
| [14:04.808] | JOHN: Some seems to ??? It always goes by the Budhha? bit. |
| [14:09.243] | If people watch Maharishi, or watch us, |
| [14:12.936] | they don' t think about the system |
| [14:16.398] | don' t think about what it' s about, you know. " |
| [14:17.847] | Q: " He got you to stop taking drugs." |
| [14:22.459] | JOHN: " No he didn' t. |
| [14:23.441] | We' d stopped taking drugs a couple of months before, when we met him. |
| [14:28.141] | And that was just sort of... |
| [14:30.604] | The newspapers said, ' Oh! Put it together, we got a title.' |
| [14:34.706] | But it' s just not true." |
| [14:36.479] | Q: " You feel that drugs are not necessary anymore for what you do?" |
| [14:41.480] | JOHN: " Uhh, I don' t know. |
| [14:42.666] | I' m not making any statements about what I' m going to do for the next 60 years or whatever it is, because I' ve no idea anymore. |
| [14:51.794] | You can never really know, but just have a vague goal." |
| [14:56.369] | PAUL: " Not at the moment, anyway." |
| [14:59.104] | JOHN: " It' s no use saying ' I will never take drugs' |
| [15:01.729] | or ' I WILL take drugs,' because you don' t know." |
| [15:04.616] | Q: " After the experiences that you' ve had, |
| [15:07.679] | do you think that young people who are your fans, |
| [15:12.080] | who idolize you, ought to try the same thing?" |
| [15:14.969] | JOHN: " No. We don' t give instructions on how to live your life. |
| [15:18.255] | The only thing we can do, because we' re in the public eye, |
| [15:20.404] | is to reflect what we do. |
| [15:25.281] | And they can judge for themselves what happens to us |
| [15:27.392] | with Maharishi, with drugs, with whatever we go on. |
| [15:31.406] | If they' re using us as a guideline. |
| [15:32.929] | And we can only try and do what' s right for us, |
| [15:36.216] | and therefore, we hope right for them." |
| [15:39.367] | PAUL: " Some fella said to me, |
| [15:41.470] | ' Have you had LSD, Paul?' |
| [15:43.996] | And I said ' Yes.' And it was only ' cuz |
| [15:49.432] | I was going to just be honest with him. |
| [15:50.969] | There' s no other reason. |
| [15:52.533] | I didn' t want to spread it or anything, you know. |
| [15:54.319] | I' m not trying to do anything except answer his question. |
| [15:57.746] | But he happened to be a reporter, |
| [15:59.231] | and I happened to be a Beatle. |
| [16:00.844] | So it went into that, you know." |
| [16:03.144] | JOHN: " And it was his responsibility, |
| [16:04.269] | or his paper' s responsibility and his TV station." |
| [16:08.044] | PAUL: " That' s the thing He immediately said ' Oh, it' s this man' s responsibility. He' s just saying all the kids should take LSD.' |
| [16:15.921] | And I didn' t, you know. I just said, |
| [16:19.257] | ' Yes I' ve taken it. Okay I own up,' you know." |
| [16:21.620] | Q: " Do you think the press distorts a great deal of what you say?" PAUL JOHN: Yes!" |
| [16:25.783] | JOHN: " I don' t think there' s anywhere, |
| [16:27.019] | any truth coming over about what' s happening at all." laughter |
| [16:29.909] | Q: " Generally, all the way across the board?" |
| [16:33.858] | JOHN: " There is no truth coming out, at all. PAUL: It' s not ??? |
| [16:38.270] | The only true thing about newspapers is the name of the newpaper. PAUL: I mean newspapers... |
| [16:44.820] | And I' m not saying that they are intentionally evil or anything, |
| [16:49.660] | it' s just they can' t control it. |
| [16:51.796] | And the system won' t allow truth to come out." PAUL: " Yeah." |
| [16:55.132] | JOHN: " So there' s something wrong with the system." |
| [16:57.220] | PAUL: " You know I mean, this |
| [16:59.923] | It' s a pretty sort of ordinary interview. |
| [17:02.984] | It' s pretty dull, you know. |
| [17:03.945] | Except for one or two little things, which will have been headlines..." |
| [17:08.170] | Q: " Of course, when someone watches television, they see it." PAUL: ... and that' s what the newspapers use to take them...??? |
| [17:11.908] | JOHN: " Television is a bit better, |
| [17:14.369] | but it' s still under the influence of the system |
| [17:18.596] | that doesn' t really allow truth to come out." |
| [17:20.520] | Q: " Well, now you' re saying what you think and people are seeing what you say." |
| [17:24.233] | JOHN: " Just for this moment, maybe. |
| [17:26.358] | If we are saying the truth as we know it. |
| [17:29.382] | but in general, I mean... |
| [17:31.158] | Are you saying that the truth is coming out all the time? |
| [17:33.784] | I don' t know. You think so? You try, yeah, PAUL: No, it' s probably not, I mean.... |
| [17:38.746] | you try but you' ve still got a system which restricts and inhibits people speaking their mind. |
| [17:45.320] | I mean, we can speak our mind now about these subjects. |
| [17:47.557] | But there will be limits imposed. And Rules." PAUL: " Mmmm." |
| [17:52.044] | JOHN: "... which are to safeguard something or other. |
| [17:54.094] | But safeguarding it prevents... it has a side effect. |
| [17:59.422] | And the choice is, where to draw the line." |
| [18:03.746] | PAUL: " It' s like, if you were to ask either of us a question that the answer would be obscene..." |
| [18:12.408] | JOHN: " There' s a censor." |
| [18:13.444] | PAUL: " There' s a limit, you know, to where you could go." |
| [18:15.620] | JOHN: " We couldn' t describe making love to somebody, |
| [18:18.932] | because the system doesn' t allow that. PAUL: But anyway that' s still not to do without truth. They... |
| [18:21.694] | You couldn' t just describe it. That' s where the system' s at." |
| [18:29.069] | Q: " One of the big controversies in your country had been recently |
| [18:34.508] | the whole question of racial integration and of cutting off immigration, |
| [18:38.658] | and of asking some of your nonwhites to go back home again. |
| [18:42.871] | You' ve been asked about this, undoubtedly." JOHN: " No." |
| [18:46.493] | Q: ' Do you think this is the kind of government policy that you want in your country?" |
| [18:52.696] | JOHN: " We sow what we reap, or whatever it is. PAUL: Mmm |
| [18:55.709] | And Britain is paying for what it did to all those countries. |
| [18:59.996] | And to say, ' Keep out,' is just barking in the garden, you know. |
| [19:05.794] | Because whatever is going to happen will happen like that." |
| [19:09.319] | PAUL: " It was just some fella who said in a speech one day..." |
| [19:13.307] | JOHN: " He said what a lot of them thought." PAUL: He??? a few votes and y' know ?? |
| [19:16.495] | Q: " And a lot of people in Liverpool, and other places you know well, favor what he said, apparantly." |
| [19:21.895] | JOHN: " Sure." PAUL: " Yeah." |
| [19:22.744] | JOHN: " Because those people are all over the place. |
| [19:24.125] | That' s why the governments are in power." PAUL: " You know those people, they don' t know a thing. They just hate." |
| [19:27.321] | JOHN: " Because they' re not told anything, as well." |
| [19:30.545] | PAUL: " It' s people like this They say " I' m white and he' s black.' |
| [19:35.921] | Hate, hate, hate. They just hate him." |
| [19:38.571] | JOHN: " And he' s not brought up any other way." |
| [19:39.969] | PAUL: " You know, they don' t know anything else than that, |
| [19:42.244] | so they' ve got to agree with this fella who says |
| [19:44.731] | " We' ve got a dangerous situation here.'" |
| [19:46.256] | JOHN: " And they vote him in, and he just makes them feel alright. |
| [19:49.295] | And he tells them that ' You' re right! You know what' s happening. |
| [19:52.245] | You put me in power' |
| [19:53.131] | But what they don' t know is that he knows a bit more what' s going on. |
| [19:58.097] | That' s why he' s in power. |
| [19:59.082] | But he' s not going to tell them what' s happening because he wants to stay in power. |
| [20:03.462] | Because if they knew, they wouldn' t have put him in power, somebody else would be." |
| [20:06.782] | PAUL: " But it' s not as bad in England as it is here." |
| [20:09.719] | JOHN: " It probably is, but it' s just a different..." |
| [20:12.169] | PAUL: " I don' t think it is." |
| [20:13.193] | Q: " You' re talking about racism?" |
| [20:14.418] | JOHN: " Well, it will be then." |
| [20:16.644] | PAUL: " I don' t think it' s as bad, just from what I' ve seen. |
| [20:21.633] | It might be. ' Cuz it' s hidden more in England, definitely, you know." |
| [20:24.495] | JOHN: " That might be worse." |
| [20:26.556] | PAUL: " That might be worse, yeah. |
| [20:27.093] | But there' s just not the numbers going on." |
| [20:33.221] | JOHN: " Well, it' s just that. England is THAT big, |
| [20:35.258] | and America is THAT big." |
| [20:37.052] | PAUL: giggles, jokingly " It' s much worse in England, you know!" laughter |
| [20:40.077] | Q: ???... Tell us about it. JOHN: giggling... terrible things... Oh no, he was joking then. Q: laughing " Really?!" JOHN: " He came ' round the circle." |
| [20:50.718] | Q: " This business of color, and young people, and people who follow you... This doesn' t have any significance in the mind of many of your young people?" |
| [21:01.943] | PAUL: " No, it' s good. Most people don' t... |
| [21:03.932] | It seems to be older people who really have got hangups." |
| [21:07.608] | JOHN: " Yes, and musicians and their vibrations don' t usually have this about what street you live on. |
| [21:15.333] | I mean, they get that scene sorted out as soon as they meet other musicians. Because it' s the music that counts. |
| [21:21.496] | There' s no common denominator for society like music or whatever they' re going for." |
| [21:26.884] | PAUL: " If someone can play guitar, it doesn' t matter what colored hands he uses." |
| [21:30.882] | JOHN: " But it also doesn' t matter for the carpenter and the bricklayer, and all that." |
| [21:35.382] | PAUL: " But I mean, everyone knows that anyway. There' s only a few... I don' t know who these people are who..." |
| [21:43.985] | JOHN: giggling " They' re the ones who vote for those people." |
| [21:46.695] | PAUL: giggles " You know, there' s just some funny people around who' re messing it up." |
| [21:50.572] | JOHN: " Lots of them." |
| [21:51.294] | PAUL: " Let' s find those people." |
| [21:53.094] | Q: " Of course, there' s people who don' t like the long hair..." |
| [21:54.882] | JOHN: " Well, we know those people are SICK! |
| [21:57.946] | And we might all be sick. |
| [22:00.995] | But their manifestations of sickness are pretty horrible, really. Frightening." |
| [22:08.259] | PAUL: " There was some thing in England where a kid went to the barbers and his Uncle said ' Go and get your hair cut.' |
| [22:15.544] | And so he went and he just had a little bit off, |
| [22:17.119] | ' cuz he had it quite long and he liked it. |
| [22:18.495] | And he came back with just a bit off |
| [22:20.807] | So his Uncle, his guardian, |
| [22:22.407] | got annoyed and dragged him back and had it all off. |
| [22:25.295] | The kid just come with a little crewcut, |
| [22:27.532] | and he was really broken up about it. |
| [22:30.169] | And the next morning they found him on the railway lines. |
| [22:32.032] | The kid has just sort of laid down with his crewcut. |
| [22:35.259] | chop You know, there' s no need for that." |
| [22:38.960] | JOHN: " To make haircuts that important is insanity." |
| [22:41.320] | Q: " Some people probably say to you, |
| [22:43.918] | ' Why don' t you cut your hair short? |
| [22:46.233] | Are you just wearing it that way to be different?'" |
| [22:48.394] | PAUL: " No it' s just, ' Why don' t you wear yours long,' you know." |
| [22:51.870] | JOHN: " We know what we like in that respect. |
| [22:54.019] | We please ourselves. |
| [22:55.794] | And what' s it got to do with pause some man with one eye." laughter PAULL: It is not... there' s no... giggling |
| [23:03.700] | JOHN: giggling " You know that man with one eye that' s always sitting ' round the back!" laughter |
| [23:07.667] | JOHN: "... and asking ya why your hair is long!" Q: Yeah... But he' s always there... |
| [23:12.240] | PAUL: laughs " Yeah, but all those things about hair and color... You know, |
| [23:16.017] | all those things that hang people up. |
| [23:17.654] | There' s no need, ' cuz there' s no worry. |
| [23:20.253] | I mean, those are the least worrying things around." |
| [23:22.290] | JOHN: " But they' re the causes, aren' t they! PAUL: Yeah, they seem to be... One of the ?? causes. Dittle dittle rum bumble bumble?" |
| [23:28.719] | Q: " What about the Queen and royalty in Britain? Is that a hang up?" |
| [23:32.655] | JOHN: " It' s not a hang up, but I mean |
| [23:34.466] | Imagine being brought up like that for twothousand years. |
| [23:37.768] | You must be pretty freaky. |
| [23:39.353] | And they must have a hard time trying to be human beings. |
| [23:42.716] | I don' t know if any of them will ever make it, |
| [23:44.691] | ' cuz I don' t know much about them. |
| [23:46.728] | But, you feel sorry for people like that. |
| [23:50.266] | ' Cuz it' s like us, only worse! |
| [23:53.917] | And whether they know what' s going on or not is another subject." |
| [23:57.617] | PAUL: " They' ve probably got their own thing, you know, inside the castle." |
| [24:00.528] | JOHN: Mmm... Chest?. Paul: Giggling No they are just... |
| [24:03.287] | Q: Well, you' ve been inside the castle ??? the decorations... PAUL: No , I mean.... |
| [24:06.189] | JOHN: " That is a very strange life, isn' t it. |
| [24:08.162] | I mean, that' s another manifestation of craziness." |
| [24:11.415] | PAUL: " You don' t really TALK to her ' cuz she' s the Queen. |
| [24:13.763] | It' s like you don' t really TALK to President Johnson ever. |
| [24:16.112] | You just sort of shake hands and APPEAR to talk to him." |
| [24:19.149] | JOHN: " And if they BELIEVE that they' re royal, that' s the joke. |
| [24:21.812] | You know, if they believe it..." |
| [24:23.899] | PAUL: " It' s crazy." |
| [24:25.613] | JOHN: "... well they can carry on, you know. |
| [24:26.912] | Because it' s just very strange to think that you are royal." |
| [24:30.199] | PAUL: " They' re probably just great and human and have just got their own scene going, you know." |
| [24:36.326] | JOHN: " One or two of them, maybe... giggles over fivemillion." |
| [24:38.913] | PAUL: " And it' s just a very difficult job." |
| [24:40.111] | Q: " Do you think it all should end?" |
| [24:41.661] | JOHN: " Well, I dont know about that. But it' s very costly." PAUL: laughs |
| [24:46.398] | JOHN: " It' s priorities really, isn' t it." |
| [24:48.940] | Q: " It' s been said that you have such a tremendous amount of influence. |
| [24:54.270] | You said yourself in that very controversial remark one time that you were more popular than Jesus, |
| [24:58.745] | and you had to correct the interpretation of that." JOHN: " Yeah." |
| [25:01.284] | PAUL: "' The Queen is freaky' isn' t a bad one." |
| [25:03.032] | Q: " Yeah, that' s not too bad, either. ??? never had bigger crowds? as you did |
| [25:04.631] | PAUL: jokingly " Another headline taken out of context yet again!" |
| [25:10.060] | Q: " The United States has been plagued by the war in Vietnam, |
| [25:13.603] | and the world has been concerned about it. |
| [25:16.678] | What are your views about the war?" |
| [25:17.928] | JOHN: " It' s another piece of insanity. |
| [25:20.327] | It' s all part of the same insane scene that' s going on. |
| [25:25.363] | It' s just insane. It shouldn' t be going on. There' s nothing else for it... no reason, just insanity." |
| [25:32.873] | PAUL: " You know, whoever' s right and whoever' s wrong, |
| [25:37.252] | it' s still... the thing that' s going on there isn' t a good thing. It' s only that much willed?. |
| [25:44.637] | A few bits of it does rough things going on. |
| [25:48.824] | A few bits does worse things and a few bits is just insane. And that' s one of those bits. |
| [25:55.625] | Q: " Since you' re not diplomats, let me ask you to meddle in American politics as our concluding question. |
| [26:01.476] | We have a lot of candidates..." PAUL JOHN: " We don' t know much about it." |
| [26:03.917] | Q: " You know the names..." JOHN: " No." |
| [26:05.434] | Q: " You' ve heard the names..." |
| [26:06.581] | JOHN: " Not really." PAUL: jokingly Eisenhower?" Q: laughs JOHN: " We hear the sort of Kennedy, |
| [26:09.472] | and we met a man called Green who sells plastic flowers to try and get people to vote for him, |
| [26:16.285] | which is a good sign of what he is, anyway. |
| [26:18.683] | But we don' t know much others." |
| [26:20.283] | PAUL: peace symbols " Doves." JOHN: " Doves and olives." laughter |
| [26:21.783] | JOHN: " Anything about that, my choice would be a dove. |
| [26:25.773] | But I mean, it might be an insane dove. |
| [26:27.370] | That' s the risk you gotta take." |
| [26:29.808] | Q: " You' re not ready to make a commitment?" |
| [26:35.447] | PAUL: " Yeah sure. Go on, ask some." |
| [26:36.796] | Q: " Would you pick a McCarthy, or a Kennedy?" JOHN: " A dove." |
| [26:39.458] | Q: " Humphrey, Nixon or Rockefeller?" JOHN: " A dove." |
| [26:43.809] | PAUL: " Yeah. You know, it' s just too hard ' cuz we don' t know what they are, those people. |
| [26:50.260] | We see all their pictures in the paper, |
| [26:52.546] | but we don' t know really what they' re doing. Do you?" |
| [26:55.547] | Q: " What about Harold Wilson?" Merseyside member of Parliament and thencurrent Prime Minister |
| [26:58.897] | JOHN: " Yes! What' s HE doing?!" laughter |
| [27:00.771] | JOHN: " I mean, what are they all doing? That' s the point." |
| [27:03.423] | Q: " Let me just ask this one final question. |
| [27:06.935] | What do you do when you talk about the establishment, |
| [27:09.922] | and you try to put something in it' s place... when you' re not satisfied with..." |
| [27:13.848] | JOHN: " We' re all part of it as well. |
| [27:15.146] | I mean, the establishment is abstract and all that bit. |
| [27:18.649] | We' re all part of it. |
| [27:20.659] | So it' s just to change it anyway you can, if you think you can. |
| [27:26.998] | That' s all you can do." |
| [27:28.197] | Q: " Gentlemen, Thank you very much." |
| [27:30.421] | JOHN: " Pleasure." PAUL: " Thank you." |
| [27:31.844] | Q: John Lennon and Paul McCartney. |
| [00:00.000] | Q：有请约翰·列侬，保罗·麦卡特尼， |
| [00:01.998] | 二位认为是什么 |
| [00:04.073] | 导致了过去七八年里非凡又成功的成就？ |
| [00:06.185] | 能用一个原因总结吗？ |
| [00:11.994] | 约翰：呃，因为上帝？ |
| [00:13.667] | 保罗：我也觉得。 |
| [00:17.316] | 主持人：众多说法认为你们引领了一种趋势， |
| [00:21.403] | 这个趋势存大概就是 |
| [00:23.392] | 现在这个迷幻的多媒体世界。（约翰&保罗：笑） |
| [00:26.880] | Q：回到早些时候， |
| [00:28.828] | 你们走上了一种道路，有人说是摇滚之路。 |
| [00:32.204] | 约翰：不管怎么说，我们只是其中的一部分。 |
| [00:35.242] | 保罗：我们并没有开出一条道路来，我们只是沿着那条路走下去罢了。 |
| [00:38.791] | 约翰：而且我们也参与其中。 |
| [00:40.941] | Q：但是许多人说你们是如此的超前。 |
| [00:43.678] | 某种程度上，总是有人走在前面一些。 |
| [00:46.028] | Q：在最初，是什么让你们沿着这条路走了下去？ |
| [00:49.667] | 是什么引领你们走进了媒介世界？ |
| [00:51.916] | 保罗：时代的进步。就像自然发展那样顺势变化。 |
| [00:57.967] | 一切都在变化，你不可能阻止它们进展。 |
| [00:59.816] | 我们只是保持着和每个事物发展速度一样的脚步走下去…… |
| [01:04.028] | 然后就是今天这样啦！ |
| [01:05.841] | Q：数百万年轻人已经长成人， |
| [01:10.354] | 我想他们在几年前是和你们一同开始成长的。 |
| [01:12.628] | 据说，你们的所为影响了他们， |
| [01:16.578] | 并且是深刻又长远的影响。 |
| [01:18.229] | 你们认为这是存在的吗？ |
| [01:19.378] | 约翰：对，在某些情况下是这样。 |
| [01:22.416] | 保罗：是的，并且他们也反作用于我们， |
| [01:24.166] | 他们影响了我们。 |
| [01:25.554] | 约翰：我可以告诉你，我受Elvis Presley的影响非常大。 |
| [01:27.753] | 不论是谁，都能对我产生长久的影响。 |
| [01:30.629] | 保罗：（玩笑地）伤疤能够证明。 |
| [01:32.241] | Q：让我们再次回到二十世纪六十年代早期， |
| [01:36.141] | 那时候你们取得了巨大的成功。 |
| [01:39.641] | 之后，世界开始变得非常不同， |
| [01:41.666] | 包括流行音乐和年轻人的世界， |
| [01:43.904] | 他们远不像今天那样。 |
| [01:45.365] | 约翰：已经……你知道的，世界变了。 |
| [01:48.304] | 每个事物都在变化。 |
| [01:49.590] | 一切都变得非常与众不同， |
| [01:50.766] | 这不是针对任何个别的事物。 |
| [01:53.917] | 整个事物都在持续变化。 |
| [01:55.903] | 所以我们无法说出为什么一名特别的男子 |
| [02:01.467] | 在1933年有着上等的白色长裤。 |
| [02:05.115] | 这没有什么可讨论的，事实就是这样发生的。 |
| [02:07.916] | 保罗：丢掉剧本，即兴发挥！ |
| [02:10.416] | Q：是啊，也许我们应该回去“复制”当下。 |
| [02:13.004] | Q：对于那些年发生的变化…… |
| [02:15.290] | 你们会怎样描述？ |
| [02:17.403] | 是一种沉睡的巨人的苏醒吗？ |
| [02:20.290] | 可以谈谈关于年轻人的， |
| [02:21.640] | 说一说在年轻人的生命中 |
| [02:25.765] | 那些觉醒起来的许多东西。 |
| [02:28.916] | 保罗：我们并不知道是怎么回事， |
| [02:32.428] | 我觉得没有人能够道清楚。 |
| [02:34.216] | 以及这就是个……人生，你知道的。 |
| [02:36.353] | 慢慢长大， |
| [02:38.741] | 我们开始穿着皮夹克，弹起吉他 |
| [02:44.978] | 我们经历了许多，才走到今天。 |
| [02:49.128] | 我们只能这么说。 |
| [02:51.404] | 我真的不知道其中的原因。 |
| [02:52.423] | 你也无法确切解释清楚。约翰：你怎么这么能说呢？ |
| [02:58.013] | Q：你们认为七八年前，或者是九十年前的青少年 |
| [03:02.138] | 是处于未醒悟的状态吗？ |
| [03:05.302] | 约翰：我觉得他们比每一代人更加自我， |
| [03:08.125] | 基于这一点，我不知道这样的觉醒是否会消亡 |
| [03:10.414] | 然后又开始回到最初。 |
| [03:11.475] | 但他们似乎都做到了，做得更有个性。 |
| [03:14.338] | Q：从头到尾都在勇于尝试新鲜？ |
| [03:17.538] | 约翰：那当然。 |
| [03:18.638] | 保罗：他们更加有意识，但我们也并不清楚 |
| [03:20.713] | 他们意识到的是什么。 |
| [03:22.813] | 不过不论是什么，他们都意识到了它。 |
| [03:26.563] | 这就是其中之一。 |
| [03:29.087] | 你没办法谈论它，因为这涉及到了 |
| [03:33.125] | 你无法确切说出来的东西。 |
| [03:34.575] | （对他自己）丢掉剧本，即兴发挥！ |
| [03:39.614] | Q：许多老一辈的人觉得今天的年轻人， |
| [03:42.313] | 据我所知老一辈人总是这么觉得的， |
| [03:43.922] | 他们都喜欢反抗长辈。 |
| [03:46.521] | 而且这种叛逆远超过于其他反叛者。 |
| [03:50.296] | 约翰：没错。保罗：是的。 |
| [03:52.771] | 约翰：谁知道接下来会发生什么呢。 |
| [03:54.059] | Q：他们也将会反叛于你们。 |
| [03:55.559] | 约翰：这得看我们会变得怎样。 |
| [03:57.821] | Q：那你们接下来会变成什么样？ |
| [03:59.734] | 约翰：这个嘛，如果就像我们现在这样那也不错。 |
| [04:03.946] | 但是我们应该还能再改进一点，依旧能够和孩子交流， |
| [04:07.609] | 如果这个改进有必要的话。 |
| [04:11.559] | 但如果不需要我们这样做的话，那就保持现在这样。（滑稽地，对主持人）你呢？ |
| [04:16.171] | Q：这是个好问题。 |
| [04:18.008] | 两位也马上进入三十岁了，你们分别都多大？ |
| [04:22.146] | 约翰：我27岁。 |
| [04:22.896] | 保罗：25岁。 |
| [04:24.570] | Q：你们依然还有路要走， |
| [04:25.783] | 但是相比早几年前， |
| [04:28.472] | 你们谈论自己的方式已经像是个白发苍苍的老人了。 |
| [04:29.771] | 约翰：（傻笑）这只是因为你自己是这样听我们说话的。（笑声） |
| [04:31.495] | Q：你们如今已经赚得盆满钵盈， |
| [04:34.045] | 也很早就取得了成功， |
| [04:36.470] | 这会困扰到你们吗？ |
| [04:37.633] | 约翰：没什么困扰的，这只是… |
| [04:39.896] | 避免了我们浪费大量时间去实现梦想。 |
| [04:42.420] | 保罗：对，我们所做的一切 |
| [04:45.758] | 都进展得非常迅速，这也加快了（我们成功的速度） |
| [04:50.196] | 约翰：我们选择了更具有现代意义的成功的方式。 |
| [04:51.895] | 保罗：很迅速，因为我们只需要一秒钟的时间 |
| [04:54.782] | 就可以用这么多的金钱来做某些事。 |
| [04:56.846] | 而下一秒……人们却用尽了一生。 |
| [05:00.458] | （对我们而言，）一切都变得非常突然，也唾手可得。 |
| [05:03.082] | 我们不需要为之做其他努力。 |
| [05:04.896] | 约翰：除了工作，你懂吧。 |
| [05:06.822] | 虽然我们只需要工作，录歌，发行唱片， |
| [05:09.958] | 但这些对我们来说也无关紧要。 |
| [05:11.945] | 以及这也挺不可思议的。 |
| [05:15.708] | 因为这能引发你沉思。（笑） |
| [05:16.832] | 你也变得更有钱了。 |
| [05:21.858] | 约翰：这只是其中一条道路， |
| [05:22.995] | 世界上有那么多职业可以选择， |
| [05:24.482] | 你得选一个… |
| [05:26.258] | 每个人都想得到一些东西， |
| [05:28.295] | 通过一种或其他方式取得， |
| [05:30.045] | 而我们选择了一个新型的方式去实现意义，也就是所谓的（？），相对性地成功了，有钱有车 |
| [05:38.096] | 很显然，因为我们并不想把生命浪费在无意义的事情上。 |
| [05:43.355] | 保罗：这就好像如果你磕药就能名利双收， |
| [05:46.029] | 那么很多人也会去做。我们差不多就像是这样。 |
| [05:49.254] | Q：这是你们为之而想做的吗？ |
| [05:51.254] | 你们想变得富有？保罗&约翰：是的。 |
| [05:52.548] | 约翰：无论你做什么，你都会想要成功 |
| [05:56.183] | 你毕业，或者是什么，你想成功。 |
| [05:59.945] | 所以你选择你的职业，成功了，或者没有， |
| [06:04.434] | 但是成功并不意味着没有东西可以去实现。 |
| [06:10.145] | 所以在这点上我们发现这并不值得你花费一辈子的时间去…想方设法得到车。 |
| [06:20.784] | Q：既然你们都获得了巨大盈利，那在你们的音乐生涯中， |
| [06:26.824] | 快乐消失过吗？保罗&约翰：没有。约翰：完全没这回事。 |
| [06:29.095] | 保罗：你看，你在问一些很严肃的问题， |
| [06:34.309] | 然而你没有问过我们 |
| [06:38.146] | 在哪剪的头发， |
| [06:39.382] | 所以当你提出严肃的问题的时候， |
| [06:42.655] | 你不能够期望得到一些快乐十足的回答。约翰：你想要答案， |
| [06:44.726] | 我们也给你了。保罗：就像我们这样 |
| [06:47.387] | 保罗：（玩笑地）不是特别清楚地。 |
| [06:49.344] | Q：是有点含糊…既然你们产生了巨大的影响， |
| [06:54.942] | 乃至影响了整个世界， |
| [06:57.779] | 你们对于如何利用你们的力量有什么特别的想法吗？ |
| [07:02.005] | 约翰：就只是，不论怎样，会试图传达一些美好的事物， |
| [07:05.354] | 如果我们可以的话。 |
| [07:07.579] | 这是我们做任何事情的唯一目的。 |
| [07:09.691] | 就好像我们得到一台机器， |
| [07:13.218] | 是为了我们能够正面利用它， |
| [07:15.667] | 而不仅仅是为了拥有一台机器。 |
| [07:17.554] | 保罗：你的人生掌握在你手里，你必须得面临一些选择。 |
| [07:23.730] | 对我们而言，一夜成名， |
| [07:30.593] | 能做任何事情的专利， |
| [07:32.841] | 我们面临选择，要么走一条大部分人会走的道路， |
| [07:37.592] | 也就是赚更多更多的钱， |
| [07:39.854] | 然后变得越来越有名气， |
| [07:42.066] | 或者是试图去做有帮助的事情。 |
| [07:45.016] | 这听起来有点像是在做慈善，但我们就是选择了它，因为它会更好一些。 |
| [07:54.433] | 也许这要从长远来看。 |
| [07:57.973] | 约翰：这也许不错。 |
| [07:58.858] | 保罗：兴许不错。 |
| [07:59.846] | Q：让我们继续谈谈关于年轻人和你们认为更值得去尝试、给予帮助的领域。 |
| [08:05.910] | 我之前提及到，也许你们说过， |
| [08:10.360] | 将来的人们对于他们现在所为也会有反响， |
| [08:13.322] | 这究竟是如何与你们所处的现实世界， |
| [08:17.909] | 与战争与和平，家庭与国家的议题相联系的？ |
| [08:21.821] | 约翰：所有议题都是有联系的，就是这么关联上的。 |
| [08:26.183] | 它关系到每个人， |
| [08:28.008] | 大到战争，小到蔬菜。 |
| [08:30.458] | 因为万物都有相关性，也存在着绝对真理。 |
| [08:36.112] | 于是就产生了关联。 |
| [08:39.185] | 保罗：（轻声笑）说得漂亮，约翰尼。 |
| [08:39.772] | Q：但对有的人来说领会你这番话会很困难。 |
| [08:42.711] | 约翰：好吧如果他们不能理解，也许他们以后会明白… |
| [08:46.035] | 或者需要自己去领悟， |
| [08:49.046] | 但是那只是我的想法。 |
| [08:51.583] | 保罗：（对约翰）那你怎么看那些年轻的人们？ |
| [08:55.359] | 约翰：我觉得…他们尚年轻， |
| [08:58.658] | 还在摸索，就是这样。 |
| [09:00.696] | 保罗：他们似乎都在试图阻止战争。 |
| [09:04.521] | 约翰：那很不错。 |
| [09:06.852] | 保罗：就像每个人都在极力阻止一切战争和杀戮。 |
| [09:12.165] | 约翰：这真的是个好主意。 |
| [09:13.926] | 保罗：听起来不错。虽然这样做有些愚蠢，但这也许真的是个好主意！ |
| [09:21.738] | Q：也许这根本起不到作用。保罗&约翰：（一阵轻笑） |
| （吴荒浮华 译） | |
| [09:23.662] | Q：无政府主义”被用来描述那些… |
| [09:27.176] | 约翰：好吧我的意思是，这个元素总是存在的 |
| [09:31.589] | 当他们注意到这点，他们会思考成为一个无政府主义者意味着什么 |
| [09:36.800] | “我们能为这一切做点什么？” |
| [09:39.613] | 除了佩戴徽章起立大喊，你还能真正去做些什么？ |
| [09:45.262] | 因此所面临的选择是 “喊口号”还是“就让它这样运作下去吧” |
| [09:49.339] | 他们只是一群无休无止的人， |
| [09:54.053] | 却未能做一些实事。 |
| [09:57.189] | 保罗：每个人都需要有人指出“你应该这么做”， |
| [10:01.763] | “这是我们想让你做的”你懂吧。 |
| [10:06.614] | 事实是，如果我们知道你是怎么做的，那就很棒了。 |
| [10:11.177] | 我们会做出猜想，但它们不一定都是对的， |
| [10:14.539] | 事实上，它们经常出错。 |
| [10:17.166] | 如果我们能够知道你是怎么做的，那就再好不过了。 |
| [10:19.946] | 因为我们处在一个有利的位置 |
| [10:20.969] | 来试图同所有想知道你会如何去做的人们对话。 |
| [10:23.894] | 因为现在许多虚伪的机构喋喋不休， |
| [10:27.707] | 试图告诉你“就应该这样做！” |
| [10:29.106] | 没人会再去相信它们了。 |
| [10:32.268] | 所有这对人们很有好处。 |
| [10:34.406] | 对于那些前来的人们，向他们讲述… |
| [10:36.406] | 约翰：好吧，这得是耶稣或释迦摩尼或是谁。 |
| [10:39.056] | 保罗：确实。 |
| [10:39.543] | 约翰：但他们现在似乎并不在附近。 |
| [10:41.970] | Q：对于是应该涉身其中还是保持距离，打开视野还是不闻世事， |
| [10:48.980] | 你们对此有什么感受？ |
| [10:50.543] | 约翰：我们相信你应该打开视野涉身其中 |
| [10:53.630] | 去改变它，你懂吧。 |
| [10:54.868] | 保罗：偶尔进来瞧瞧 |
| [10:57.394] | Q：你说的涉身其中，是指参与到当权者或是权威机构的活动中？ |
| [11:04.433] | 约翰：是去改变它… |
| [11:04.905] | 因为如果你不去改变它，这样的情况将永远持续下去。 |
| [11:07.294] | 所以要做的唯一的事是：尝试改变它… |
| [11:10.520] | 但也不是用另一套成俗滥调的官僚体系替代它。 |
| [11:12.855] | 是去彻底改变它 |
| [11:15.456] | 但是你如何去做，我们不知道。 |
| [11:17.493] | 保罗：有很多方法， |
| [11:18.168] | 但我们现在所决定的方法是 |
| [11:21.093] | 尝试涉足商业界 |
| [11:26.143] | 这样我们就可以加入“那群人”，你懂的。 |
| [11:31.270] | 那些大公司的大老板们， |
| [11:34.168] | 和他们一本正经地谈话，好像我们就是…（笑） |
| [11:38.120] | 保罗/约翰：他们中的一员！ |
| [11:41.320] | 约翰：当然我们并不是，看看怎么发展吧 |
| [11:44.858] | 保罗：我们真的不是 |
| [11:45.205] | 但是我们找到了替我们做这件事的人。 |
| [11:48.381] | 这和那些嬉皮士场景有些不同，因为人们想 |
| [11:52.569] | “噢，他们没洗澡还留了长发” |
| [11:55.919] | “噢，那很淘气”，你懂吧。 |
| [11:57.143] | 人们不和他们交流， |
| [12:02.045] | 因为他们不喜欢他们的外貌穿着，或是什么 |
| [12:03.731] | 约翰：我们将用一个新盒子来包装和平。 |
| [12:07.344] | 我们试图去跟那些 |
| [12:09.794] | 当权的人说 |
| [12:12.982] | “来吧，让它走上正轨，别捣乱”。 |
| [12:16.104] | 他们能做到？？看上去不太行， |
| [12:22.464] | Q：你们去了印度和Maharishi相处了一段时间 |
| [12:26.588] | Maharishi有巨大的影响力，你们觉得对于你们的整个观念和态度 |
| [12:29.113] | 能否描述一下他对你们带来了什么改变？ |
| [12:32.938] | 约翰：我们其实觉得Maharishi对我们来说是个错误，真的， |
| [12:39.888] | 当然我们不认为冥想是个错误， |
| [12:43.038] | 但是我认为我们之前对Maharishi的印象是错误的， |
| [12:48.737] | 就像人们对我们的印象那样，你懂吧。 |
| [12:50.100] | 但是我们所做的事都是公之于众的，所以也有一些不同。 |
| [12:56.739] | Q：你们一开始的印象如何？ |
| [12:58.300] | 约翰：我们误将他看作为他实际不是的那种人， |
| [13:00.763] | 保罗：我们认为他就是魔法，你懂吧 |
| [13:04.062] | 因为他有一种特质 |
| [13:07.188] | 大概是，不知道，眼睛里的光吧。 |
| [13:09.924] | 然后你就觉得他… |
| [13:10.888] | 约翰：我们当时在寻找这种感觉， |
| [13:13.074] | 然后也许顺势就给他附加上了这种印象。 |
| [13:15.362] | 保罗：确实，只是一个巧合的时机罢了。 |
| [13:19.112] | 我们当时也在等待着一些人。 |
| [13:20.783] | 约翰：等待着一个灵性导师，然后他就出现了。保罗：魔法师来了 |
| [13:23.264] | 他就这么来了，你懂吧。他就在那，探讨着一切。 |
| [13:25.800] | 他有很棒的解答， |
| [13:27.500] | 因为他说“你们能自己找到归属”。 |
| [13:29.864] | 你们能够通过做这样一件简单的事 |
| [13:34.126] | 让自己冷静下来 |
| [13:35.712] | 它确实奏效了，在这点上。确实有用，你懂吧。 |
| [13:40.300] | 约翰：但是另外一点-他给出药方 |
| [13:44.724] | 来治愈人们的某种情况 |
| [13:48.889] | 而他自己却在仍在人们身上造成这种情况 |
| [13:50.525] | 保罗：但这个系统似乎更加重要 |
| [13:53.915] | Q人：像是Maharishi有一种权威感？ |
| [13:56.990] | 约翰：有些事，你懂的，我们不能… |
| [13:59.215] | 保罗：他还好，但这个系统更重要，你懂吧。 |
| [14:02.874] | （约翰：一个更主要一个更次要吧）其中的理念 |
| [14:04.808] | （约翰:这些看上去…）这一直有点遵循释迦摩尼的那种意思。 |
| [14:09.243] | 如果人们看Maharishi，或看我们， |
| [14:12.936] | 他们不会去思考这个系统。 |
| [14:16.398] | 他们不会去思考这一切是关于什么，懂吧。 |
| [14:17.847] | Q：他让你们戒了毒？ |
| [14:22.459] | 约翰：不，他并没有 |
| [14:23.441] | 我们在遇见他的几个月前就戒毒了。 |
| [14:28.141] | 那只是… |
| [14:30.604] | 报社那群人说“快把这两件事拼在一起，我们有头条了！” |
| [14:34.706] | 但这个不是真的。 |
| [14:36.479] | Q：你们觉得Drugs对于你们的创作不再重要了吗？ |
| [14:41.480] | 约翰：额，我不知道。 |
| [14:42.666] | 我不会对我在接下来60年或多久做出任何声明，因为我真的一无所知。 |
| [14:51.794] | 你真的了解不了，仅仅是有个模糊的目标。 |
| [14:56.369] | 约翰：说“我再也不会take drugs”并没有用， |
| [14:59.104] | 说“我会take drugs”同样没用，因为你不知道。 |
| [15:01.729] | Q：在那些经历之后 |
| [15:04.616] | 你们是否认为那些把你们视为偶像的年轻粉丝 |
| [15:07.679] | 应该去尝试这些东西？ |
| [15:12.080] | 约翰：不，我们不指导别人如何生活， |
| [15:14.969] | 我们唯一可以做的，是对我们的所作所为进行反思。 |
| [15:18.255] | 因为我们被公众所关注， |
| [15:20.404] | 他们可以站在他们的立场上对发生在我们身上的事做出评判。 |
| [15:25.281] | 对Maharishi，对drugs，对发生在我们身上的一切事， |
| [15:27.392] | 如果他们把我们视为指导方针。 |
| [15:31.406] | 如果他们把我们视为指导方针 |
| [15:32.929] | 我们唯一能做到的是去尝试做我们所认为正确的事， |
| [15:36.216] | 我希望这些对他们来说也是正确的。 |
| [15:39.367] | 保罗：一些人对我说， |
| [15:41.470] | “你使用过LSD吗，保罗？” |
| [15:43.996] | 我告诉他“是的”，我这么做是因为 |
| [15:49.432] | 我要对他坦诚， |
| [15:50.969] | 没有别的原因了。 |
| [15:52.533] | 我并不想宣传这玩意或是什么，你懂吧。 |
| [15:54.319] | 我只是给他答案， |
| [15:57.746] | 但他碰巧是个记者， |
| [15:59.231] | 而我碰巧是披头士一员。 |
| [16:00.844] | 所以事情才会朝那个方向发展。 |
| [16:03.144] | 约翰：那是他的责任， |
| [16:04.269] | 或是他家小报或电视台的责任， |
| [16:08.044] | 保罗：就是这样，他突然就改口说道“噢，那是他的责任，他在鼓励孩子们使用LSD呢”。 |
| [16:15.921] | 但我并没有，我只是说 |
| [16:19.257] | “我使用过它，我只是坦白承认事实”。 |
| [16:21.620] | Q：你们是否认为小报杂志扭曲了很多你们所说的话？ 保罗/约翰：是的！ |
| [16:25.783] | 约翰：我认为 |
| [16:27.019] | 没有任何地方会给出事实（笑） |
| [16:29.909] | Q：普遍上说，真的一点都没有吗？ |
| [16:33.858] | 约翰：一点事实都没有 |
| [16:38.270] | 报纸上唯一真实的内容只有报纸的名字。（保罗：“我是说那些报纸……”） |
| [16:44.820] | 我不是说他们故意去干一些坏事或是什么， |
| [16:49.660] | 他们也没有办法。 |
| [16:51.796] | 这个体制不允许事实被报道 保罗：是的。 |
| [16:55.132] | 约翰：所以是体制出了问题。 |
| [16:57.220] | 保罗：你知道我的意思，这个… |
| [16:59.923] | 这就是个再普通不过的采访。 |
| [17:02.984] | 它挺无聊的，你懂嘛。 |
| [17:03.945] | 除了那将会成为头条新闻的一两件事。 |
| [17:08.170] | Q：当然，他们会从电视上看到的。 |
| [17:11.908] | 约翰：电视好一些， |
| [17:14.369] | 但它仍在体制的影响之下 |
| [17:18.596] | 这个体制不允许事实被大众知晓。 |
| [17:20.520] | Q：现在你正在把你所想说出来，人们正在去理解你说的话。 |
| [17:24.233] | 约翰：也许只是现在吧， |
| [17:26.358] | 如果我们正在说的是我们所知道的事实， |
| [17:29.382] | 但一般来说，我指的是… |
| [17:31.158] | 如果你要说电视中的都是事实， |
| [17:33.784] | 我不知道，你这样认为？你可以去尝试（保罗：也许并不是） |
| [17:38.746] | 你尝试去做，但仍然有一个体制在限制着人们说出他们的想法。 |
| [17:45.320] | 我们可以对于这些话题袒露心声 |
| [17:47.557] | 但仍有限制和规矩 （保罗：Mmmm） |
| [17:52.044] | 约翰：这是为了保护一些东西， |
| [17:54.094] | 但是它会阻止…它有副作用， |
| [17:59.422] | 所以面临的选择是，在哪里划清界限。 |
| [18:03.746] | 保罗：就比如，如果你要。问我或约翰一个问题，而你将得到一个包含低俗内容的回答 |
| [18:12.408] | 约翰：就是审查机制。 |
| [18:13.444] | 保罗：你所能说的内容是有限制的。 |
| [18:15.620] | 约翰：我们不能跟一些人描述有关做i的内容， |
| [18:18.932] | 因为这个体制不允许这样的内容 （保罗：当然这也不意味着真相不能被说出，他们…） |
| [18:21.694] | 你不能直接描述它，这就是这个体制所规定的。（Georgia_乔治亚 译） |
| [18:29.069] | Q：最近你们国家中最大的争议之一 |
| [18:34.508] | 是关于种族融合和削减移民的， |
| [18:38.658] | 以及是否要叫你们国内的非白人族裔卷铺盖回老家。 |
| [18:42.871] | 你们肯定已经被问过这个问题了吧。 约翰：没。 |
| [18:46.493] | Q：你们会想要自己的国家有这样的政策吗？ |
| [18:52.696] | 约翰： 种瓜得瓜，种豆得豆，从来如此。（保罗： 嗯。 ） |
| [18:55.709] | 英国会为它对这些国家的行径付出代价。 |
| [18:59.996] | 对着非白人族裔的人们说“滚出去”无异于看家狗在花园中狂吠，你懂。 |
| [19:05.794] | 因为不管发生什么都会是那样一种情形。 |
| [19:09.319] | 保罗： 只是因为某人某天在演讲里说了这些…… |
| [19:13.307] | 约翰： 他其实说出了很多人所想。 保罗： 这样他就能获取更多选票（？）。 |
| [19:16.495] | Q： 很多利物浦人，还有很多你们熟知的地方的人，似乎很赞同他的观点。 |
| [19:21.895] | 约翰： 确实如此。 保罗： 没错。 |
| [19:22.744] | 约翰： 因为这些人到处都是。 |
| [19:24.125] | 这也就是政府能掌权的原因。 （保罗： 你知道那些人的，他们什么都不懂，只知道仇恨。 ） |
| [19:27.321] | 约翰： 因为也没人告诉他们任何真相。 |
| [19:30.545] | 保罗： 这些人就像这样——他们说“我是白人他是黑人”, |
| [19:35.921] | 接下来就是仇恨，仇恨，仇恨。他们就因此憎恨他。 |
| [19:38.571] | 约翰： 从小到大也没人教过他们别的。 |
| [19:39.969] | 保罗： 你知道的，他们不知道任何别的事， |
| [19:42.244] | 所以必然就会同意那个人的说法 |
| [19:44.731] | 说“我们的处境很危险”这样的。 |
| [19:46.256] | 约翰： 然后他们就给他投票，他就让他们自我感觉良好。 |
| [19:49.295] | 他告诉他们“你们是对的！你们明白到底在发生什么事。 |
| [19:52.245] | 你们让我掌权再正确不过了。” |
| [19:53.131] | 但他们不知道的是他比他们知道的要更多一点， |
| [19:58.097] | 这也就是为什么他能够掌权。 |
| [19:59.082] | 但他不会告诉他们到底是怎么回事，因为他想继续掌握权力。 |
| [20:03.462] | 因为如果他们知道了，他们本不会投给他票，而会投给别人了。 |
| [20:06.782] | 保罗： 但是似乎在这里（美国）比在英国要更糟糕一些。 |
| [20:09.719] | 约翰： 可能吧，但有点不一样…… |
| [20:12.169] | 保罗： 我不觉得英国比这里糟。 |
| [20:13.193] | Q： 你们在说种族歧视？ |
| [20:14.418] | 约翰：（回答保罗） 好吧，但迟早也会变得像这里一样。 |
| [20:16.644] | 保罗： 我不觉得英国的情况和美国一样糟，至少从我目前看到的情况来说。 |
| [20:21.633] | 不过也有这个可能。因为在英国人们更擅长于隐藏，确实如此，你知道的。 |
| [20:24.495] | 约翰： 所以可能会更糟糕。 |
| [20:26.556] | 保罗： 确实可能会更糟糕。 |
| [20:27.093] | 但并不只是人数区别。 |
| [20:33.221] | 约翰： 嗯，比方说，英国的种族歧视这点大， |
| [20:35.258] | 美国的就有这点大 |
| [20:37.052] | 保罗：（笑） 在英国可糟多了，你知道的。 |
| [20:40.077] | Q： （？）能跟我们说说吗。 约翰：（笑） ……很糟糕的事情……哦不，他刚刚在开玩笑。Q： 真的吗？ 约翰： 他在跟你兜圈子呢。 |
| [20:50.718] | Q： 关于种族的事情，年轻人们，那些追随你们的年轻人们……对于他们中的很多人来说，种族差异一点也不重要吧？ |
| [21:01.943] | 保罗： 确实不重要，这是件好事，大多数人都不…… |
| [21:03.932] | 似乎是那些年纪大的人会有些思想上的拘束。 |
| [21:07.608] | 约翰： 是的，音乐家和他们带来的震撼通常与你住在哪条街上无关。 |
| [21:15.333] | 我的意思是，他们只要见到了其他音乐家就能明白这事儿。因为只有音乐才是最重要的。 |
| [21:21.496] | 因为在没有其他像音乐或任何他们要做的其他事一样能成为整个社会的共同分母了。 |
| [21:26.884] | 保罗： 如果某人能弹吉他，他用什么颜色的手弹是无关紧要的。 |
| [21:30.882] | 约翰： 对于木匠或砖匠来说也是这样的，其他的也都是这样。 |
| [21:35.382] | 保罗： 不过我的意思是，所有人都知道这些事，只有一些人……我也不知道这些人是谁…… |
| [21:43.985] | 约翰：（笑） 他们就是给那些人投票的人啊。 |
| [21:46.695] | 保罗：（笑） 你知道，总有些搞笑的人把事情搞砸。 |
| [21:50.572] | 约翰： 有很多。 |
| [21:51.294] | 保罗： 我们要找到这些人。 |
| [21:53.094] | Q： 当然了，有些人不喜欢长头发…… |
| [21:54.882] | 约翰： 嗯，我们知道这些人有病！ |
| [21:57.946] | 当然我们可能都有病， |
| [22:00.995] | 但他们的病征非常恐怖，真的。很吓人。 |
| [22:08.259] | 保罗： 英国有这样一件事：一个孩子要去理发店，他的叔叔就说‘去把你的头发剪了’ |
| [22:15.544] | 他去那里后只剪掉了一点 |
| [22:17.119] | 因为他留了长头发，又很喜欢它， |
| [22:18.495] | 所以他只剪了一点就回来了， |
| [22:20.807] | ——因此他的叔叔，他的监护人， |
| [22:22.407] | 很生气，把他拖回理发店剪掉了他所有长发。 |
| [22:25.295] | 那个孩子就变成平头了， |
| [22:27.532] | 他因此崩溃了。 |
| [22:30.169] | 第二天早上人们在铁轨上找到了他。 |
| [22:32.032] | 那个孩子顶着个平头卧轨了, |
| [22:35.259] | (做了一个向下劈的手势吗) 你知道，没必要这样的。 |
| [22:38.960] | 约翰： 把发型看的这么重要是疯了。 |
| [22:41.320] | Q： 可能有些人对你们说， |
| [22:43.918] | 为什么不把头发剪短？ |
| [22:46.233] | 你们留长发只是为了显得与众不同吧？ |
| [22:48.394] | 保罗： 并不，我们也能说‘你为什么不留长发呢’，你知道的。 |
| [22:51.870] | 约翰： 我们知道在这方面我们喜欢什么， |
| [22:54.019] | 我们只是取悦自己。 |
| [22:55.794] | 这和某个一只眼睛的男人有什么关系。 （笑） 保罗： 并不是……并没有…… |
| [23:03.700] | 约翰：（笑） 你知道那个总是坐在后面的独眼男人的！ |
| [23:07.667] | 约翰： ……他还问你为什么你的头发这么长！ Q： 是的……但他总在那里…… |
| [23:12.240] | 保罗：（笑） 是啊，但是所有这些关于头发肤色的事……你知道的， |
| [23:16.017] | 所有这些困扰人们的事情 |
| [23:17.654] | 都是没有必要的，因为根本无需担心这些事。 |
| [23:20.253] | 我的意思是，这些是人们最不需要担心的事情了。 |
| [23:22.290] | 约翰： 但它们是起因，不是吗！（保罗： 嗯，看上去是的…… ）？？的起因之一。？？？ |
| [23:28.719] | Q： 那么英国女皇和皇室这样的呢？那是一种困扰吗？ |
| [23:32.655] | 约翰： 那不是一种困扰，但我是说 |
| [23:34.466] | 想象一下两千年的时间一直都被那样养大。 |
| [23:37.768] | 你肯定得长成个怪胎。 |
| [23:39.353] | 他们一定费了不少努力只为了成为正常人类。 |
| [23:42.716] | 我也不知道他们中有没有人做到了， |
| [23:44.691] | 因为我并不很了解他们。 |
| [23:46.728] | 但是，你会怜悯这样的人。 |
| [23:50.266] | 因为他们很像我们，只是更糟了！ |
| [23:53.917] | 而他们是否知道到底在发生什么又是另外一个话题了。 |
| [23:57.617] | 保罗： 他们可能有自己的东西，你知道，在城堡里。 |
| [24:00.528] | 约翰： mmm...比如大箱子（双关：胸部）（？）。保罗：（笑） 不，他们只是…… |
| [24:03.287] | Q： 对了，你们去过城堡里面？？你是指里面的装饰吗……（保罗： 不，我是说……） |
| [24:06.189] | 约翰： 那是一种很奇怪的生活，不是吗？ |
| [24:08.162] | 我的意思是，那是另外一种疯狂的症候。 |
| [24:11.415] | 保罗： 你不会真的和她说话因为她是女王。 |
| [24:13.763] | 这就像你不会真的和约翰逊总统说话。 |
| [24:16.112] | 你只是和他握个手，装着和他说话。 |
| [24:19.149] | 约翰： 而且如果他们相信自己是皇室，那就是笑话了。 |
| [24:21.812] | 你知道，如果他们相信…… |
| [24:23.899] | 保罗： 这就是疯了。 |
| [24:25.613] | 约翰： ……当然了他们可以继续这样，你知道的。 |
| [24:26.912] | 因为认为你自己是皇族本来就非常奇怪。 |
| [24:30.199] | 保罗： 他们也有可能是很伟大的，人性化的，生活在他们自己的情境里，你懂。 |
| [24:36.326] | 约翰： 可能他们五百万人中有一个两个这样的吧。 |
| [24:38.913] | 保罗： 而且他们的工作很不容易呢。 |
| [24:40.111] | Q： 你觉得这些应该结束？ |
| [24:41.661] | 约翰： 呃，这个我并不知道。但这样很昂贵啊。 （保罗笑） |
| [24:46.398] | 约翰： 这些确实都是特权，不是吗？ |
| [24:48.940] | Q： 已经说过你们有巨大的影响力了。 |
| [24:54.270] | 你有一次说了那句你们比耶稣更流行的话，引起了很大争议， |
| [24:58.745] | 然后你试着纠正人们对这句话的理解。 约翰： 是的。 |
| [25:01.284] | 保罗： 女王是个怪胎是个不坏的标题。 |
| [25:03.032] | Q： 是啊，确实不坏。？？ |
| [25:04.631] | 保罗：（开玩笑） 又来一个断章取义的标题了！ |
| [25:10.060] | Q： 美国已经笼罩在越战的阴影之下了， |
| [25:13.603] | 全世界对此都很关注。 |
| [25:16.678] | 你们对这场战争怎么看？ |
| [25:17.928] | 约翰： 这又是另一种疯狂， |
| [25:20.327] | 是所有正在发生的疯狂中的一部分。 |
| [25:25.363] | 越战就是疯狂的行为。它本不该发生。没有任何其他的原因，只有疯狂而已。 |
| [25:32.873] | 保罗： 你知道的，无论谁是谁非， |
| [25:37.252] | 这仍然是……在那里发生的并不是好事。战争只是？？。 |
| [25:44.637] | 世上正在发生的事情中一部分是粗暴的 |
| [25:48.824] | 一部分更糟糕，还有一部分纯属疯狂，战争就属于这一部分。 |
| [25:55.625] | Q： 既然你们不是外交官，请允许我要求你们干涉美国内政，以此为最后一个问题。 |
| [26:01.476] | 我们有很多（总统）候选人…… 保罗和约翰： 我们对此不很了解。 |
| [26:03.917] | Q： 你们总知道名字吧…… 约翰： 不知道。 |
| [26:05.434] | Q： 那你们总听说过这些名字…… |
| [26:06.581] | 约翰： 并没有。 保罗：（开玩笑） 艾森豪尔？ （Q笑） 约翰： 我们似乎听说过肯尼迪， |
| [26:09.472] | 我们还碰见了一个叫格林的人，他卖塑料花来争取人们的选票， |
| [26:16.285] | 很能说明他是什么样的人了，不管怎么说。 |
| [26:18.683] | 但是我们并不怎么知道别人。 |
| [26:20.283] | 保罗： （我们只知道）鸽子。（和平的象征） 约翰： 鸽子和橄榄枝。 （笑） |
| [26:21.783] | 约翰： 任何有关于此问题，我的选择都会是只鸽子。 |
| [26:25.773] | 但我的意思是，这可能是只疯鸽子。 |
| [26:27.370] | 这也是你必须承担的风险。 |
| [26:29.808] | Q： 你们并不准备做出任何（政治）承诺？ |
| [26:35.447] | 保罗： 不见得。来吧，不妨问我们一些。 |
| [26:36.796] | Q： 你们会选择麦卡锡这样的，还是肯尼迪这样的？ 约翰： 我们会选择鸽子。 |
| [26:39.458] | Q： 亨弗莱，尼克松还是洛克菲勒？ 约翰： 一只鸽子。 |
| [26:43.809] | 保罗： 是啊。你知道，这太难了，因为这些人，我们并不知道他们到底是怎样的。 |
| [26:50.260] | 我们在报纸里看到所有他们的照片， |
| [26:52.546] | 但是我们不知道他们到底在干什么。你知道他们在干什么吗？ |
| [26:55.547] | Q： 哈罗德•威尔逊怎么样？（英国议会中默西塞德郡议员，当时首相） |
| [26:58.897] | 约翰： 是啊！他在干什么呢？！ （笑） |
| [27:00.771] | 约翰： 我的意思是，他们都在做什么事？这才是关键。 |
| [27:03.423] | Q： 我来问你们一个最后的问题。 |
| [27:06.935] | 对待权力制度你们会怎么做， |
| [27:09.922] | 当你试图某事物放置在本该在的地方……当你对（实际情况）不满意时…… |
| [27:13.848] | 约翰： 我们也都是这个制度的一部分。 |
| [27:15.146] | 我是说，制度是很抽象宽泛的。 |
| [27:18.649] | 我们都置身其中。 |
| [27:20.659] | 所以说到底就是用任何你能做到的方式改变它，如果你觉得你可以做到的话。 |
| [27:26.998] | 这就是全部你能做的事情。 |
| [27:28.197] | Q： 先生们，很感谢你们。 |
| [27:30.421] | 约翰： 和你谈话很愉快。 约翰： 感谢你。 |
| [27:31.844] | Q： 感谢约翰•列侬和保罗•麦卡特尼。 （黑羊Blacksheep 译） |
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